We weren't talking about some vacuum, we were talking about how it would go over right now. This would be portrayed as something done by 'dem dems'. I agree that its a problem but its also reality so in the media, Obummer would have bommed them out of that wildlife cabin even if it was in fact the USA.

The candidate doesn't have to be a middle ground candidate as long as there is a middle ground target group. The question is how large that target group is and how large it has to be to be influential in the outcome of the elections.
Again, they don't need support as long as there is a large enough group that will be completely put off by violent actions against this group by the government. You can hate people but still respect them.

If there is a guy on the corner of the street yelling that black people have to die and someone walks up to him and shoots him in the face, I'll take the racist guy every day of the week over the shooter in the face. Not because I support him but because I'm less put off by someone yelling angry words then someone taking an other humans life.
You could very well be right, I was replying to someone saying we should send in the military and that specifically seemed political suicide. I do think something needs to happen because just letting them be is the most hilarious thing I've heard in a while.

YokelHaram

if we could ever have a rational conversation about guns in this country, a revised 2nd amendment that makes sense in today's world could be one of our greatest accomplishments. imo, if we removed the fringe on both sides from the equation, it wouldn't be real difficult either.

that is a bit of a disconnect, isn't it?

you aren't alone.

i'd really prefer option A, because i've had it with these people to begin with, and doing it in places i hold near and dear to my heart REALLY pisses me off.

but as huehue (i think) pointed out, the ramifications of that can't be ignored.

BBC article doesn't exactly make this sound like the last days of the Alamo. I'm curious as to whether this excerpt is an actual quote though:

Doubt they will storm the place, no reason to. They can just siege them and wait till they run out of food, which shoulndn't take all that long.

What is the punishment going to be for that?

Option A people are nuts. Shut off water and power and leave completely, not even token gate watcher. Collect building in a week and put new locks on it. Why give these idiots what they want?

Man, that gay bomb the government was working a while ago would be the perfect solution here.

Has any GOP candidate unequivocally condemned the actions of the militia?

1) true. i was pointing out the problem.

2) the middle ground target group is pretty much owned by the dems right now, it is owned for a lot of reasons, and there are very few in the middle who are sympathetic towards the plight of this group. i don't see them moving on this issue, especially since there are many military options that fall way short of "vaporizing them with a drone". yes, vaporizing them with a drone would likely stimulate conversation, no doubt there, and taken in a vacuum, you might have a point. but i don't see that middle ground going anywhere based on this issue, when there are so many other reasons for them to stay put.

3) yes, i would side with the guy shouting racist things over the shooter. the guy shouting racist things isn't holed up with weaponry saying "come get me, you dirty coppers, i'll die before i leave" though. two completely different situations.

4) properly done, it wouldn't be political suicide. "we" (speaking for the usa) have many options available to us to handle this situation.

5) as much as i'd like to see this group treated with extreme prejudice, there are ramifications if that is done. i'm not fond of the "wait them out" option, but unless we are willing to follow up with the same action against spawned groups, as well as seriously enforcing our sedition/etc. laws, "wait them out" is almost a forced position.

fine or imprisonment of up to 20 years or both

eta xpost from SE: 18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

i fully admit i'm nuts, and letting emotion get in the way of reason by preferring option A.

but i do have a bit of a rational side, and after reading and thinking, as much as i'd like option A, option B is likely the best solution at this point in time.

not that i'm aware of. 2nd amendment supporters would lose their **** if that happened.

You don't even wanna know how Trump would handle militias

Lol doing to call to prayer at the correct times of day would be hilarious if a little insensitive.

From experience working in Malaysia that is not easy to get used to.

I agree with most you're saying anyway but figured pointing out that if the guy is open carrying saying he wont use his gun unless attacked, it really isn't that far off. In reality it sounds more like a suicide by cop kind of action then anything else. Im interested in what is going to happen to coming few days, so hard to imagine that they will do nothing at all.

Great- but I would note that there's nothing he was doing that was more disruptive or disingenuous than ikes' posting. The only different is that he had a specific angle.

!!!!

The morbid part of me wants to see all these "I need my guns to protect myself from the government" 2nd amendment types discover just how totally ineffective their guns would be against a government that actually wanted to take them out.

To be totally fair, he was apparently posting some Holocaust denial **** that's a little bit out of Ike's range.

This simply cannot be a real letter, or if it is, Bundy reeaalllyyy needs to get checked out by a mental health professional

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorg...OpNQ#.og87G3wp

Turns out the return address was a Penn. prision sooooo probably not him.

Now is the perfect time to go scoop up all the Bundy's cattle.

Posting to subscribe.

Can't believe this isn't a bigger story (said as a non-American over in Australia)

It's a small hut in the middle of no where. Civilians aren't really being threatened directly and it's not a brown or black scary group.

see below.

yup. i doubt the average american is even giving this a thought.