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12-29-2012 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Sorry, which caliber of firearm did Jaworski use to force Nixon to comply?

6" cold cut, iirc
12-29-2012 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
The government gives everyone their guns. Ok dude, might be time to take a break.
The government gave you the right to your guns. Maybe your just trolling I dunno
12-29-2012 , 03:40 PM
Great! It's settled, all in favor of a gun ban, move to a different country!
12-29-2012 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilkain
Great! It's settled, all in favor of a gun ban, move to a different country!
Who's trying to ban guns?
12-29-2012 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
The government gave you the right to your guns. Maybe your just trolling I dunno
if there was no government at all would i or would i not be able to own a gun
12-29-2012 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
if there was no government at all would i or would i not be able to own a gun
You could have a gun, but if the government didn't exist you could also murder people with the guns and do other awful things.
12-29-2012 , 03:48 PM
ok so it sounds like i could have a gun without government, so how exactly did the government give me the right to a gun?
12-29-2012 , 03:53 PM
it is nice to know that thanks to the government i cant get murdered though
12-29-2012 , 04:00 PM
The right to bear arms. It is an ideal that this country was founded on. Im sorry if you don't agree with it. If we get rid of that what's next? Get rid of free speech? Right to assembly? Freedom of the press?

These things are part of our culture and our history. When the British empire was the most powerful military force in the world, a rag tag group of militia men fought them and won.

Is that what you meant Phil when you said lol at citizens overthrowing the government? Do you not believe the revolutionary war happened?
12-29-2012 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
The government gave you the right to your guns. Maybe your just trolling I dunno
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
if there was no government at all would i or would i not be able to own a gun
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
You could have a gun, but if the government didn't exist you could also murder people with the guns and do other awful things.
Lol
12-29-2012 , 04:02 PM
It's as simple as that folks!
12-29-2012 , 04:03 PM
the government saying they won't take away a right that I already have isn't the same as them giving it to me
12-29-2012 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilkain
The right to bear arms. It is an ideal that this country was founded on. Im sorry if you don't agree with it. If we get rid of that what's next? Get rid of free speech? Right to assembly? Freedom of the press?

These things are part of our culture and our history.
This is such a terrible argument for obvious reasons.
12-29-2012 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
the government saying they won't take away a right that I already have isn't the same as them giving it to me
It isn't a "right" unless other people agree that it is. Otherwise it's just a thing you can do if no one else stops you.
12-29-2012 , 04:25 PM
The plumber with the gun scenario is a good time to mention the fact that the plumber who is intent on doing you harm doesn't give a **** wether you want guns in your house or not. If he wants you dead he's going to bring a gun and shoot you with it. The plumber that asks you if it's ok to bring his gun is more than likely wanting to have it to protect himself because he works in bad areas.

This is not any different than any other number of people who just want to protect themselves and their families but are victimized by gun laws that only restrict the lawful gun owner and do nothing to stop the criminals.

I'm not saying you should allow guns in your home. I'm just saying that the guy who is asking permission is probably not the one you should fear.
12-29-2012 , 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilkain
The right to bear arms. It is an ideal that this country was founded on. Im sorry if you don't agree with it. If we get rid of that what's next? Get rid of free speech? Right to assembly? Freedom of the press?

These things are part of our culture and our history. When the British empire was the most powerful military force in the world, a rag tag group of militia men fought them and won.

Is that what you meant Phil when you said lol at citizens overthrowing the government? Do you not believe the revolutionary war happened?
How do you think it would have gone if the French hadn't helped out?
12-29-2012 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
How about because it's really dangerous? You know, the same reason we don't let millions of people drink and drive.

There may be a positive utility to guns, but there is to drunk driving too. Unfortunately, the negatives outweigh the positives.
So we ban everything that has negative externalities. Cool story bro. Once again, obesity is a huge problem in the United States and American average four hour per day in front of a television. The only positives that come from TV are entertainment. With 190B dollars in medical costs and lost productivity + 30k deaths per year, we need to ban teevee. Or you can piss off with your fascist bull****.

Did I mention you have zero chance of passing effective gun control this year? Lol @ u
12-29-2012 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
ok so it sounds like i could have a gun without government, so how exactly did the government give me the right to a gun?
The government gave you the right to bear arms. Therefore it's irrational to fear the entity that lets you purchase these weapons. I don't know how you don't understand this concept it's pretty simple.
12-29-2012 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilkain
The right to bear arms. It is an ideal that this country was founded on. Im sorry if you don't agree with it. If we get rid of that what's next? Get rid of free speech? Right to assembly? Freedom of the press?

These things are part of our culture and our history. When the British empire was the most powerful military force in the world, a rag tag group of militia men fought them and won.

Is that what you meant Phil when you said lol at citizens overthrowing the government? Do you not believe the revolutionary war happened?
Free speech, right to assembly and freedom of the press are already limited in several ways - so where is the slippery slope in limiting gun ownership in some ways?

Hell gun ownership is already limited in several ways, if there is a slippery slope America has been on it for centuries.
12-29-2012 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
So we ban everything that has negative externalities. Cool story bro. Once again, obesity is a huge problem in the United States and American average four hour per day in front of a television. The only positives that come from TV are entertainment. With 190B dollars in medical costs and lost productivity + 30k deaths per year, we need to ban teevee. Or you can piss off with your fascist bull****.

Did I mention you have zero chance of passing effective gun control this year? Lol @ u
This is awesome.
12-29-2012 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by will1530
So we ban everything that has negative externalities. Cool story bro. Once again, obesity is a huge problem in the United States and American average four hour per day in front of a television. The only positives that come from TV are entertainment. With 190B dollars in medical costs and lost productivity + 30k deaths per year, we need to ban teevee. Or you can piss off with your fascist bull****.

Did I mention you have zero chance of passing effective gun control this year? Lol @ u
Oh gosh, because we live in a world where everything must be absolutes and smart people can't make intelligent differentiations between an M-4 with a sniperscope and a 46" Sony. Reality, how does it work?

How about you piss of with your bull**** where you pretend that the reason you want guns is in case the government ever wants to lock you up in a FEMA camp when a) that would never happen and b) there's nothing you could do about it anyways (even if you had the guts to actually do it) and just admit that you're scared of the bogeyman coming to get you when you sleep.

God this is like talking to five year olds sometimes. Hey guess what, you can't play with your toy because it can hurt someone. Now throw a tantrum and when it's over we can move on.
12-29-2012 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dinopoker
Oh gosh, because we don't live in a world where some things are different from others. Everything must be absolutes. Well hey I know this comes as a surprise but guns and TV are actually different things, with entirely different purposes and legislation. Reality, how does it work?

How about you piss of with your bull**** where you pretend that the reason you want guns is in case the government ever wants to lock you up in a FEMA camp when a) that would never happen and b) there's nothing you could do about it anyways (even if you had the guts to actually do it) and just admit that you're scared of the bogeyman coming to get you when you sleep.

God this is like talking to five year olds sometimes. Hey guess what, you can't play with your toy because it can hurt someone. Now throw a tantrum and when it's over we can move on.
This post is literally you throwing a tantrum.
12-29-2012 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
The government gave you the right to bear arms. Therefore it's irrational to fear the entity that lets you purchase these weapons. I don't know how you don't understand this concept it's pretty simple.
The constitution made a long ass time ago, not by anyone currently in charge of this country affirms the right to bear arms. The main reason for that is to deter the government from becoming tyrannical and protect us if they do. Also to protect from foreign entities. Now that government pushes more and more to disarm the citizens, based on the bill they're looking to try and pass its disarm almost entirely. Yup nothing to worry about here, just move along.
12-29-2012 , 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Free speech, right to assembly and freedom of the press are already limited in several ways - so where is the slippery slope in limiting gun ownership in some ways?

Hell gun ownership is already limited in several ways, if there is a slippery slope America has been on it for centuries.
We have been on a slippery slope for a long time and I don't want to continue down off a cliff. Glad we agree.
12-29-2012 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by joeyDizzle
This post is literally you throwing a tantrum.
+1, no government has ever taken advantage of their people and done terrible things to them. Nope never happened, its not possible to ever happen either.

      
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