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08-07-2012 , 04:21 PM

#1751

LirvA

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It all could have been avoided if she just would have listened, pvn.

08-07-2012 , 04:24 PM

#1752

Bremen

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ya, I can't understand the jail thing

probably some ******ed reasoning that if they taser someone they have to arrest them or something

08-07-2012 , 04:24 PM

#1753

Paul D

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that was bad Lirva lol

08-07-2012 , 04:27 PM

#1754

LirvA

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08-07-2012 , 04:32 PM

#1755

DblBarrelJ

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Good to see that "Deaf Guy charges you" scenario I ran on all my firearms students that they all said was stupid and impractical had merit after all.

08-07-2012 , 04:37 PM

#1756

Happy_Fish

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Hopefully it didn't start with tasering the bitch

08-07-2012 , 04:40 PM

#1757

DblBarrelJ

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No. If you injured the deaf guy you failed the scenario.

All he did was run right past you out the door, screaming "POLICE! POLICE!"

08-07-2012 , 04:46 PM

#1758

Paul D

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No sticking your foot out for the lulz even?

08-07-2012 , 07:34 PM

#1759

vhawk01

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

how furious would people be if someone was trying to talk to a cop while he was in his patrol car, then stepped slightly in front of it and the cop ran him over.

They'd probably mostly be furious because the guy with the broken foot would be cuffed, beaten and thrown in jail.

08-07-2012 , 08:07 PM

#1760

Trolly McTrollson

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I hate everyone involved in the Ferarri thing. Driver is obv a level 38 douche, but is it really necessary to forcibly yank him out, slam him against the car, and faceplant him to the ground? Lucky he didn't get tazed as well, I guess.

08-07-2012 , 08:29 PM

#1761

DblBarrelJ

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Yes, it is vitally important to separate an attacker from his weapon as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Tasing wouldn't be necessary, unless it was necessary to maintain positive control or to remove him from his weapon.

08-07-2012 , 08:57 PM

#1762

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Why does this apply when the nature of the weapon is such that the victim must intentionally place himself in a position to be attacked?

08-07-2012 , 09:28 PM

#1763

Trolly McTrollson

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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Yes, it is vitally important to separate an attacker from his weapon as quickly and efficiently as possible.

It is then necessary to slam the disarmed "assailant" against the car and throw him face first on the ground? Typical a**hole cop move ainec.

08-07-2012 , 09:38 PM

#1764

DblBarrelJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RR

Why does this apply when the nature of the weapon is such that the victim must intentionally place himself in a position to be attacked?

Placing yourself in danger of being attacked is part of the job.

08-07-2012 , 09:44 PM

#1765

DblBarrelJ

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

It is then necessary to slam the disarmed "assailant" against the car and throw him face first on the ground? Typical a**hole cop move ainec.

Moving someone forward into an off balance position is standard when applying restraints.

Placing someone on the ground is also a standard placement after arrest, particularly when dealing with a violent suspect.

08-07-2012 , 09:55 PM

#1766

Trolly McTrollson

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Placing someone on the ground is also a standard placement after arrest, particularly when dealing with a violent suspect.

"Violent suspect"? gmafb. The guy stopped the car and put it park. Cop clearly lost it and needlessly faceplanted the guy. You don't have to carry the water for him.

08-07-2012 , 09:55 PM

#1767

Happy_Fish

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"The police looked into it, and the police have ruled that the police did nothing wrong."

08-07-2012 , 09:57 PM

#1768

Trolly McTrollson

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Placing yourself in danger of being attacked is part of the job.

Putting your foot in front of the wheel and assuming the other guy notices it and isn't capable of driving over it seems like godafwul police work to me.

08-07-2012 , 10:04 PM

#1769

pvn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ

Placing yourself in danger of being attacked is part of the job.

At every possible opportunity, even if there's no upside???

08-07-2012 , 10:08 PM

#1770

Happy_Fish

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There's plenty of upside! Look at those extra charges, with a side of being able to smash a douche's face around a little.

08-07-2012 , 10:09 PM

#1771

DblBarrelJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

"Violent suspect"? gmafb. The guy stopped the car and put it park. Cop clearly lost it and needlessly faceplanted the guy. You don't have to carry the water for him.

If he did, I'm not hating on him for it.

I'm just reporting things the way the training division is reporting it to the brass.

08-07-2012 , 10:11 PM

#1772

DblBarrelJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

Putting your foot in front of the wheel and assuming the other guy notices it and isn't capable of driving over it seems like godafwul police work to me.

I think we're stretching reality assuming the douche didn't see the cop here.

08-07-2012 , 10:12 PM

#1773

DblBarrelJ

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Originally Posted by pvn

At every possible opportunity, even if there's no upside???

I don't think "every possible opportunity" is being met here.

08-07-2012 , 10:23 PM

#1774

pvn

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jamming your foot under a car tire falls into the "looking to start something" category IYAM.

What's the worst thing that can happen here? He's got the plate. It's not going to be that hard to find the guy. But oh yeah, the cop might feel like his manhood was questioned, so yeah, I guess nuking the site from orbit would be justified to stop that from happening.

Carry on.

08-07-2012 , 10:24 PM

#1775

Trolly McTrollson

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I think the douche assumed the cop wasn't dumb enough to actually stick his foot under the wheel and the cop assumed the douche wasn't dumb enough to assume that the cop wasn't dumb enough to actually stick his foot under the wheel.

They both pretty much leveled themselves imo.

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