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January LC Thread : Survivor White House Edition

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02-03-2019 , 05:25 AM

#2326

Victor

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paul d, you directing that at me?

I am the one who is saying that tropic thunder doesnt matter. he is the one who is trying to use tropic thunder to delegitimize and diminish the seriousness of blackface.

02-03-2019 , 05:27 AM

#2327

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by Victor

you hate when ppl do it bc it exposes you. your goal is clear. tropic thunder used blackface and libs laughed therefore libs are hypocrites and blackface isnt so bad.

its transparent bullsht. who cares about tropic thunder? maybe they balanced nuance and irony and parody and geniuineness and sensitivity and humor perfectly. or maybe they should have been criticized. the points, you are trying to use tropic thunder to diminish the seriousness and criticism of other blackface episodes and its transparent bs.

Nah, man. This is more intellectually lazy bull****. That is not my goal. And I've explicitly stated that. I get that "No, you're lying" is easy for simpletons.

I've posted my official position on blackface. If you've got a problem with that, quote it and let me know exactly what part you disagree with. Stop making up things. Just asserting them repeatedly doesn't make them true.

02-03-2019 , 05:33 AM

#2328

Victor

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ok, if thats your position then why are you spending thousands of words trying to figure out that one great trick that allows you to use blackface?

02-03-2019 , 05:33 AM

#2329

Melkerson

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Paul,

"Downey Jr wasn't doing blackface" is clearly untrue.

If you can't understand that, then I can't help you. Whether Downey's use is fine or not is a different question. I think it probably was fine. That doesn't make your statement true. It's still false. And it's not even debatable.

02-03-2019 , 05:37 AM

#2330

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by Victor

ok, if thats your position then why are you spending thousands of words trying to figure out that one great trick that allows you to use blackface?

I'm not ****ing doing that. I have no intention of using it or justifying anyone else's use of it. That part is entirely inside your head.

One valuable aspect of this discussion is that it does expose idiotic viewpoints like Paul's. Even if he does reach the right conclusion, the way he gets there is absurd. Helping those who think similarly to you think better is probably a good thing. Although, in this case, it seems he may be beyond help.

02-03-2019 , 06:12 AM

#2331

ChrisV

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I remember having an argument about blackface on here where I had scorn heaped on me for arguing that blackface isn't inherently offensive, but that it is almost always inherently offensive within the American cultural context. Tropic Thunder wasnt offensive because of its awareness of context. It's really threading the needle doing it in America without being offensive though.

02-03-2019 , 06:13 AM

#2332

ChrisV

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And obviously doing it next to a KKK costume, um, kind of does not thread that needle.

02-03-2019 , 06:14 AM

#2333

David Sklansky

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I assume it goes without saying that a movie biography of al jolson is an exception.

02-03-2019 , 07:45 AM

#2334

+rep_lol

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

for you, paul, and victor-

WHO ****ING CARES

02-03-2019 , 09:43 AM

#2335

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Enough with the “Just asking questions” trolling about blackface. It is transparent and obvious. Blackface is racist and bad, asking questions about why Tropic Thunder or South Park are socially acceptable in a manner to cast doubt on that premise is trolling. Anyone else does it after this post is eating a ban.

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02-03-2019 , 10:32 AM

#2336

Trolly McTrollson

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The key to unlocking this riddle is to understand that RDJ is an actor playing a role.

02-03-2019 , 12:05 PM

#2337

Louis Cyphre

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Originally Posted by ChrisV

I remember having an argument about blackface on here where I had scorn heaped on me for arguing that blackface isn't inherently offensive, but that it is almost always inherently offensive within the American cultural context.

This.

02-03-2019 , 12:25 PM

#2338

Clovis8

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Originally Posted by jman220

This is way over-modding imo. While the discussion is stupid, nothing they are discussing has even a hint of trolling.

02-03-2019 , 12:29 PM

#2339

fxwacgesvrhdtf

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

This is way over-modding imo. While the discussion is stupid, nothing they are discussing has even a hint of trolling.

Really? bigt2k4 really wasn’t sure why there wasn’t a huge outrage over Cartman on South Park wearing Ku Klux Klan Robes thus making fun of people who do so, and why conversely there is outrage over Northam? You think that was legitimate questioning and not JAQ’ing around?

02-03-2019 , 12:30 PM

#2340

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by jman220

I suppose we've beaten the horse to death, but no one was actually doing bolded. Bigt24k definitely wasn't. I was mostly answering his question and I wasn't either. The problem is not that we were doing bolded, it's that people thought it was being done despite explicit statements to the contrary.

To be clear, the above should not be construed in any way to undermine the premise that Blackface is racist and bad. It definitely is. I'm not lying or being sarcastic here. It really is.

02-03-2019 , 12:34 PM

#2341

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by jman220

Really? bigt2k4 really wasn’t sure why there wasn’t a huge outrage over Cartman on South Park wearing Ku Klux Klan Robes thus making fun of people who do so, and why conversely there is outrage over Northam? You think that was legitimate questioning and not JAQ’ing around?

I didn't see that, but if he said that, then I retract my earlier statement that suggested he clearly wasn't JAQing. I tuned in when TT was mentioned. I focused on the blackface part and not the KKK part. The KKK thing has a much more obvious answer.

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02-03-2019 , 12:47 PM

#2342

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigt2k4

I wasn't referring to this saga at all, just commenting on blackface in general.

If you must though, would about when Cartman dressed up as a Klan member?

02-03-2019 , 12:58 PM

#2343

Melkerson

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Jman,

Like I said, I didn't see that and I said that part is bad. While it is separate from the blackface discussion, throwing that in there is not really defensible. And I can see how adding that to a blackface discussion changes the context quite a bit.

I wasn't doubting you about whether he said it or not. I just didn't see it. I was probably unclear about that. My apologies.

02-03-2019 , 01:03 PM

#2344

pvn

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

This is way over-modding imo. While the discussion is stupid, nothing they are discussing has even a hint of trolling.

lol

02-03-2019 , 01:13 PM

#2345

Clovis8

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As I said, the whole discussion was stupid and bigt’s post is trump stupid. Most of it still seemed like a legit discussion and not just trolling. I mean melkerson posted like three times that black face was racist and he was just curious to debate the edges. Chris even posted he once debated the edges.

All I was saying is there is a difference between a dumb discussion, even when the answer is obvious to most people, and trolling.

02-03-2019 , 01:23 PM

#2346

bigt2k4

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Originally Posted by Victor

That was absolutely not my intention or angle or whatever you call it when it came to my posts. I wasn't defending it in any way

02-03-2019 , 01:25 PM

#2347

kerowo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Clovis8

This is way over-modding imo. While the discussion is stupid, nothing they are discussing has even a hint of trolling.

How many times does the question have to be answered before asking it yet again is trolling?

02-03-2019 , 01:26 PM

#2348

Trolly McTrollson

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jman's modding here is fine. If you're legitimately perplexed in 2019 about why it's okay for an actor to play a character wearing blackface in a transgressive comedy role, you just need to take everyone else's word that RDJ is okay. This forum isn't the venue for us to explain basic social norms to you.

02-03-2019 , 01:28 PM

#2349

Clovis8

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How many times does the question have to be answered before asking it yet again is trolling?

That’s fair.

02-03-2019 , 01:33 PM

#2350

bigt2k4

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul D

And if you don't understand the difference between using blackface to make fun of a race like it has been done in the past, and RDJ wasn't playing a black character to make fun of black people you're the one who is ignorant.

edit: I replied and then saw Jman's post. I won't bring it up again.
Oh, the Cartman thing was a completely separate thing and not meant to be a serious question. I expected it to be ignored

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