You might actually want to read the link and/or seek out documentaries.

Some of the time said "oppression" were paying taxes levied on non-Muslims and nothing more. Which, yeah, it sucks. But other ethnic/religious groups had to do the same, and it sure is a lot better than how other places and people treated Jews.

That's like almost exactly what I said. I think the post you are responding to is about 100 words long and you stopped reading after 9.

There are millions of muslims peacefully living as Israeli citizens now as well

Wouldn't expect anything less from someone who voted for a bigot.

Just for reference, here's the subject at hand:

mets,

Since you're here now....iirc you had some things to say about Ilhan Omar and her suggestions of dual loyalty for American Jews. How about Trump's? Is Bibi my Prime Minister?

I don't understand the question. Are you Israeli?

My God, lol.

I recently read a Jerusalem Post editorial that said Bibis plan is to take over the entire west bank, withdraw from Gaza and recognize Gaza as the entire Palestinian state. If true it sounds like a ridiculous plan

Citing that article as support to your argument is fairly hilarious. Did you even bother to read it?

I doubt you'd be OK with the palestinians accepting this arrangement.

Those pesky euros trying to prevent more pogroms.

There's nothing revisionist about it. Those lands belonged to the Jewish population and they were forcibly removed from it. Unless you have evidence which suggests otherwise.


They didn't "move" from the lands they were being hunted/murdered off them. Important difference.

And the property was also "quite literally" in the Jewish families until it was taken by force.

Just because you are only 1 generation removed from the family who had land taken doesn't give you a greater right over it. If you;re going to sort ownership by the amount of time it's been under control does that mean modern day palestinians are losing their claim to lands every day it's under Jewish control?

Give the rest citizenship so we can go back to bashing Trump.

citation?

afaiu the govt position is that the land is theirs, with the question being one of how much to cede

Israel leaving gaza had little to do with the Un

So you're in favor of a one state solution?

Excellent question

property is a legal fiction

the push for settlement is imo based more on logistical pragmatism than formal jurisprudence

lmao

If you want me to say both Trump and Omar are idiots who cannot differentiate Jews from Israel, sure they are both idiots

1) I did read it. And much of the world had similar set ups where minorities were subordinate.
2) In the modern world such set ups are antiquated relics.
3) You are revisionist. Jews lived in the area before Israel became a Nation. Jews weren't the first people to live in that area. We could shuffle Canaanites land ownership if we are that concerned about who was there first. We can also give back land to all the indigenous groups who were displaced by invaders.

Look, my ancestry is Jewish, I have no problems with Israel as a nation. I do have a problem with the Israeli govt, and Bibi in particular, making the peace process that should be going on impossible from that side. Just like I have an issue with segments of the Palestinian population being extremists. But people like you who unabashedly try to bring up ancient history in a distorted way instead of actually addressing this as a modern issue (which it is) are the nut low.

That is the reality, is it not? The two state ship has sailed; the settlements saw to that.

What remains to be seen is how long it will take for all the people in the single state to get citizenship.

I should supplement this a bit more.


Property, as a right, is a legal fiction, as is every other right, so the position that, "International law doesn't make it belong" makes no sense.


Property can also be understood as a raw experience of physical use & retention/exclusion.

When you say, "If land ever belongs to anyone it's to the people living on it," it's awkward for you to mean that Israeli settlers, living on the land, are taking it from people who don't live on the land (in light of the latter's generational claim to it).

I don't think either side wants this. Israel would never accept this because they would lose majority and fear that anti Jewish law similar to other mideast countries would take place

So no i don't think that's a realistic solution. And i think that's one of the reasons Israel gave up occupying gaza

And one of them you latch onto and write dozens of posts about, the other you avoid acknowledging like the plague. Huh, I wonder if maybe mets is being completely disingenuous when crying about anti-semitism and he actually just hates liberals?

Just because you are 1 generation removed as opposed to 100 doesn't give you a greater right?

A "right" is a fiction, there's really no such thing. It's a matter of opinion. I think the opinion that granting the same validity to a claim 100 generations old
as 1 generation old (and in many cases not even that) is ridiculous.

And to the latter point "YES", I've said that repeatedly and Israel very much understands that and that's why adding settlers is so important. Every day their claim is cemented. Children are born in the settlements and as they grow and that's the only home they've ever known it will become harder and, many Israelis hope, impossible for them to ever be moved out.

No one seriously ever imagines the USA returning the southwest to Mexico or Los Angeles to the Tongva and it has nothing to do with the legality or illegality of any claims. Too many Americans have been born and raised and lived their entire lives here, over the course of *just* 150 years for that to even be conceivable.

I'm certain that there are a lot of people who want Israel to annex the WB who consciously have the strategy to just keep moving people in and stall and act like it's still maybe an open issue and in the meantime the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of Jews in the settlements is what will make them permanent.

Hasn't Gaza has been all but abandoned by Israelis?

It seems like the de facto resolution to date has really been a three-state solution between Israel, Fatah (West Bank), & Hamas (Gaza).