It's called a settlement

That ain't gonna cut it my dude

Citation for your specific claim that the Israeli government is paying Jews from New York City to move to the West Bank.

Regards,

—jman220

Its a well known fact Jews from New York City have preference to move into the West bank than Palestinian refugees who actually have family ties to the region. Simply because they are jewish.

Three day ban for posting unsupported antisemitic conspiracy theories in violation of politics forum rules.

I won't disagree that the Netanyahu wing wants the conflict to continue

The Law of Return (an actual law passed in Israel) gives all Jews the right to Israeli citizenship.

In the West Bank there are government subsidizes for housing in the settlements. So yes, there are New York Jews who end up in the West Bank, partially on the government dime.

This is so well known that it's not the sort of thing you should expect a citation for, but here's one anyway:

"Israel Retroactively Okayed Illegal Settlement Construction. Under Housing Ministry Uri Ariel, disproportionate government building subsidies siphoned into West Bank"

I do think Umph should have explained it better but the combination of Israeli subsidies in WB settlements and Law of Return does amount to subsidizing Jewish New Yorkers to resettle in WB settlements.

Some of the encouragement is done via private organizations organizing free trips to Israel

paying all jews to move to Israel

+

paying israelis to move to the WB

!=

"paying NY jews to move to the WB"

What he said was poorly phrased and needlessly inciting because there's no evidence of a government sponsored incentivisation scheme aimed specifically at New York Jews. It has been claimed, though, that American Jews do make up a disproportionate number of West Bank settlers. One source estimates that of the 350k Jewish settlers there, 60k come from the US (2017).

Here's a Haaretz article discussing the reasons behind this phenomenon:
Americans Disproportionately Leading Charge in Settling West Bank (Are they being nudged there by the stealth efforts of the Israeli government and its NGO allies?)

The chief reason given is that the majority of settlers are orthodox - as are the majority of new immigrants from America. The article then has this to say regarding incentivisation:

Not even the mods could survive a 2+2 ban on sloppy wording.

This. Ban stands.

Also "it's a well known fact there Jews from NYC want to move to the West Bank" was worse than the initial post.

It wasn't sloppy wording. Gross generalizations about Jews from NYC wanting to move to the West Bank is antisemitism.

"have preference" I read as meaning the Israeli government prefers NY Jews to Palestinian refugees for housing.

You dispute that?

With respect that would be antisemitic, but is not what he said. He said that NY Jews have preference. The assertion was that should they want to move to the West Bank that move would be more readily facilitated by the Israeli government than a Palestinian refugee wanting the same.

imo this is the more offensive claim

esp combined with

the "preference" language, afaict, was not itself the basis for the ban

the ban was based on the the suggestion of a preference for NY jewish immigration in response to a demand for a citation to the claim that Israel pays NY jews to settle in WB, which evokes not only the "NY Jew" archetype, but further suggests that the Israeli govt is cheating its agreements with the US


the white knights for this claim point to NGOs that pay people to move there

the most damning connection to the Israeli gov't, even this shockingly racist one, that I have seen is that

"Efrat [in the WB] has long been a popular destination for English-speaking Olim...." cit

which is a far cry from the claims raised of very specific targeting of gov't funds



walking the claim back from "Israel pays people to move there" to "Israel allows people to be paid to move there while suggesting it is a nice place to live"

he didn't make that second claim, of course, because it is not hair-raising, and his goal was to drum up anti-israeli sentiment, drawing on the traditional motifs of theft and bigotry plus throwing in a healthy dash of nefarious finance with undertones of corruption

Even if that is the case, and that’s not how i read it, he still posted, without evidence, that the Israeli government is specifically paying Jews from NYC to move to the West Bank.. In any event, I have no interest in participating, or reading the debate in, this thread. His posts were reported, they crossed the line, the ban stands.

Regards,

—jman220

Yeah, there's no reason for the "NY" part other than bringing in a stereotype/slander.

The claim about Israel wanting to continue the conflict to steal land is not anti-Semitic. It's a generalization, but about the state of Israel and it's not even a particularly uncharitable generalization. Other reasons Israel has for wanting to continue the conflict are worse.

is equivalent to just about every "false flag" theory out there

the israeli government intentionally encourages suicide bombs in Jerusalem in order to justify tighter security in gaza...

no doubt there is genocidal intent among the population and government ministries, but to attribute the worst elements to the whole is textbook

Specifying the NY origin highlights the discrepancy of Arabs who lived there losing out on housing to people from overseas. That's why I've written a comparable sentence, although I believe I referenced Brooklyn. Highland Park, NJ would also work.

No, it's not the equivalent. "Steal" may be making a judgment that you don't agree with, but it's not an unreasonable political position and ascribing the motivation of wanting to gain and secure land in the territories to the Israeli government as a reason to continue the conflict is a very non-conspiratorial evaluation of motives which are significant inside the Israeli government and population.

That is there, but I don't think it's a big part either. I think an actual big part of the motivation of the Israeli government is exactly the same corruption in the US military industrial complex. Military gonna military. Right wing governments and the military industrial complex create and maintain an environment that sustains themselves. There's also something more fuzzy about how governments maintain power through violence always and in a situation where control is less secure there needs to be more frequent demonstrations of violence. That's not a conscious or conspiratorial thing, but I think much of the right feels the need for demonstrations of power.

(I should just say "authoritarian" instead of "right")