How many people did Hamas execute this week?

I don't think they covered that on presstv.

BTW, are we aware that Israel basically created Hamas?

"Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins," primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric."

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...75572295011847

Israeli teenagers: Racist and proud of it

Ethnic hatred has become a basic element in the everyday life of Israeli youth, a forthcoming book finds.


“For me, personally, Arabs are something I can’t look at and can’t stand,” a 10th-grade girl from a high school in the central part of the country says in abominable Hebrew. “I am tremendously racist. I come from a racist home. If I get the chance in the army to shoot one of them, I won’t think twice. I’m ready to kill someone with my hands, and it’s an Arab. In my education I learned that ... their education is to be terrorists, and there is no belief in them. I live in an area of Arabs, and every day I see these Ishmaelites, who pass by the [bus] station and whistle. I wish them death.

The student’s comments appear in a chapter devoted to ethnicity and racism among youth from a forthcoming book, “Scenes from School Life” (in Hebrew) by Idan Yaron and Yoram Harpaz. The book is based on anthropological observations made by Dr. Yaron, a sociologist, over the course of three years in a six-year, secular high school in the Israeli heartland – “the most average school we could find,” says Harpaz, a professor of education."

http://www.haaretz.com/mobile/.premi...696D3A46E2F4D2

I'm not saying I support Hamas, because I don't, but Isreal is driving people off their own land in to ghettos & bombing the piss out of them on top of segregation. They are creating ever expanding Jewish settlements with the support of US foreign aid, weapons, money etc. I'd be pretty pissed if I was Palastinian. I'd probably unsuccessfully throw a few rockets Isreal's way too. Palastinians are being treated by Isreal the same way Germans treated the Jews throughout WW2. Isreal is fighting "terrorism" with even more effective & brutal "terrorism" #WARCRIMES. No matter who drew first blood it is utterly immoral & quite simply ineffective to fight "terrorism" with more "terrorism", it only breeds more hate & intolerance.

Unbelievable. So Israel was more interested in propping up what they mistakenly thought was a peaceful member of the clergy as a counterweight to PLO terrorists and Israel is, in your distorted view of the world, responsible for "basically creating Hamas."

In any event, back in the 1960s -1970s (which includes a time when Israel didn't have any control over either Gaza or the West Bank, and there were no settlers to speak of, yet there was still Palestinian violence against Israeli civilians (there goes your no occupation = no violence theory)), the PLO, the so-called "secular nationalists," was the biggest terrorist game in town, so who can blame Israel for trying to appeal to religious leaders, have them build schools and so forth in the hope of having them eschew violence and appeal to the more moderate segment of Palestinian society? Well, I guess you can blame Israel, and indeed are.

To view this in context, here's some of the PLO's greatest hits leading up to Hamas' creation in 1988:

http://www.camera.org/index.asp?x_ar...95&x_context=7

Well, to be fair, you should at least mention that Israel hasn't gotten around to burning the Palestinians in furnaces yet.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08...li-informants/

Fair enough (the claims that there was some legal process here conflicts with western accounts but they did have a story.)

Holy **** at all of the comments on that Press TV website. They're not condoning but outright applauding these summary executions. This comment is by far the most disturbing of the lot:

An enlightened readership they must have. Anti-Semitism is alive and well.

And quite possibly paid for by Israel

You might actually mean that.

We are coming up on 50 years of brutal occupation and settler colonialism on the heels of a massive ethnic cleansing which displaced 750K refugees. I don't think most of you are even aware of the massive amount atrocities that have transpired under those (ongoing) campaigns. It's hard to even wipe away the discussion of the fresh blood spill to even take a look back.

ISIS is practically brand new. I am sure with time ISIS will achieve some parity with Israel.

Like when ISIS sets up a "government" I am sure they will torture minors just like Israel.

Even the U.S. recognizes the situation as an occupation. Furthermore the general assembly has recognized Palestine so, yet again, all of your statements are just factually incorrect.

Your getting basic facts wrong further erodes the credibility of your crazy opinions gamblor.

Supposedly those "informants" were just people involved in anti-war protests and other political opponents of Hamas. But who knows. If you think the death penalty in the US is unfair, racist, etc. I can't imagine how messed up it is in Gaza.

This thread wouldn't be the same without you popping in every now and again to argue gems such as: 1) Hamas' terror tunnels were never intended to attack Israeli civilians (how dare you call them terror tunnels; they're resistance tunnels!); 2) the jury is still out on whether Hamas forced little kids to die building said tunnels (show me proof Hamas held a gun to an 8 year old's head!); and now, my personal favorite, 3) Israel is probably paying people to post anti-Semitic comments in the Iranian-run Press TV's comments section (because I'm sure Iran-sponsored websites' internet comments sections are woefully lacking in blatant anti-Semitism, so Israel needs to drum some up to garner sympathy). Those damn Jews are probably burning down their own shops in Europe too, right?

Care to go to bat for the peoples' champion, Hamas, in support of these summary executions? I'm sure there's some wordsmithing you can do to suggest there's nothing wrong with this? I mean, they're collaborators during wartime!! Unless Hamas wanted to just kill them for some other reason of course...




Yes, this is all on par with the ~6+ million that were systemically exterminated in the Holocaust, the 200k+ recently killed in Syria and I don't know how many misplaced (hint, it's more than 750k), the millions murdered in the Sudan and millions more displaced there, Saddam's use of chemical weapons on the Kurds and the millions murdered and tortured under his regime. Israel is the greatest devil of them all, right?

Speaking of refugees, there were ~800k Jews that were kicked out of Arab countries in 1948 who left with little more than the shirts on their backs, their land stolen, "their roots ripped out from under them." Unlike Palestinians, they weren't left to fester in refugee camps for decades on end. They were quickly absorbed into Israel, while Palestinians had no such luck in Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Gaza (then controlled by Egypt) or the West Bank (then controlled by Jordan)...all Israel's fault, right?

Like I said, a colossal load of horse****.

Palestinian Arabs rescue settlers from Palestinian lynch

Money quote: "I know how to distinguish between terrorists and human beings, and these were human beings."

Itt Deuces appeals to authority, calls it "facts", and then calls the other guy crazy.

Are you saying that citing a consensus opinion (and that it includes the staunchest ally of Israel) on the occupation designation is appealing to authority and some kind fallacy? I suppose your off-the-wall positions would have to find new ways to disregard consensus, like when you assert that the balance of academia (save for one PhD candidate who said one thing you liked) and every human rights organization are all just anti-semitic frauds.

I wouldn't say greatest devil of them all. But you should appreciate that what Israel is doing is still ongoing with no real end in sight. If murder and oppression were a product Israel would be trading high. And now the Palestinians are all but defenseless so the dynamic figures to change in the same direction it has been.

You mentioned the Holocaust. Did you know some survivors of the Holocaust recently issued a statement condemning Israel's actions? Here is an excerpt:

They also posted a link to op-eds in popular Israelis newspapers (Times of Israel and Jpost) openly calling for genocide. One such op-ed was titled "When is Genocide Permissible?". That was taken down for PR purposes but was reprinted here if you want to know what kind of thoughts are being entertained in Israel right now. It's not surprising that survivors of the holocaust find such thoughts alarming.

That's exactly what it is. Subscription to an idea does not relate to validity of the idea. But in any event, you're conflating political positions with legal conclusions. And proceeding to call everything "facts".

"Wake up sheeple!"

I made no such assertion. And it is absurd to pretend the "balance of academia" supports your position when the overwhelming majority of academic institutions reject the positions you have taken with respect to boycotts, to take an example. That a few have supported your positions only speaks to a crippling case of selective observation and confirmation bias.

But as you present each ridiculous "academic" position, I have no problem showing why they are ridiculous, or as is often easier, previous examples of hate or ignorance that undermine their credibility.

Ah yes, Deuces has been studying at the Bill Haywood school of tokenism.

Lol. One moron blogger asks when genocide is permissible, the article gets taken down immediately, his rights to post are permanently removed, the article is widely criticized in Jewish and Israeli circles, and dm presents this as the sentiment of the Israeli public, and further casts the removal of the offensive article as a "PR stunt."

Meanwhile, Hamas has been calling for genocide of the Jewish people since 1988, Jewish genocide being "Allah's promise" (a sentiment which appears to be very in vogue in certain parts of the world atm), and not a peep out of dm. They're just resisting the occupation.

An Insider's Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth

Wow.

In before "her last name is Friedman so obviously she's biased".