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The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court The Great ObamaCare Debate, Part 237: Back to Court

05-13-2014 , 09:18 AM
Thank God there's no "free market" in healthcare. Holy ****.
05-13-2014 , 09:25 AM
"What's it worth to see?" is the hook for the shakedown on the patient after telling him he'll go blind soon.

Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 05-13-2014 at 09:48 AM.
05-13-2014 , 10:11 AM
I like how renodoc is being posited as entitled when he likely had to be the best of his class on boards and had to spend 6 years working 12hr days in residency/fellowship. I'd say misguided and detached more than anything. Everyone, Pam Waldron and reno included should be able to live in a place where complaints are taken seriously.
05-13-2014 , 10:30 AM
There are plenty of people who work 12 hour days for more than 6 years.
05-13-2014 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by renodoc
When I first started we would see a patient with wet macular degeneration and perform a "hot" laser on them. This would essentially blind them, but the studies showed that patients treated in this manner were better off two years hence then those that didn't get the laser.

It was a tough sell. :-)

Anti-VEGF injections are nothing short of a miracle for this and many other eye diseases. 40% of patients improve, and the other 60% usually hold their ground.

I'm amazed at the liberals in this thread that don't see Genentech/big pharma as the villains here and like to pile on the doctors.
It would seem to me that big pharma is the hero in this story, not the deliveryman who otherwise would still be using lasers but for big pharma.
05-13-2014 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by renodoc
Pamela Waldron?

Where did this idea of "whining" come from?

Im a small business owner, asking what should be a sample of overeducated people how they would handle this situation.

I think the answers qualify more as "whining" than the question.
You haven't given us answers to some relatively basic questions that would help us judge! Instead, you're telling us stories about how good you are for switching to using a cure that someone else developed.
05-13-2014 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
There are plenty of people who work 12 hour days for more than 6 years.
And they have every right to "whine", just as reno and Waldron. And I wouldn't call them entitled, anyone that works hard is exemplary to me.
05-13-2014 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NHA
And they have every right to "whine", just as reno and Waldron. And I wouldn't call them entitled, anyone that works hard is exemplary to me.
Most of them are the working poor. Working two jobs to get by.
05-13-2014 , 01:15 PM
lazy people are people too! im sick of this racism against lazy people. i mean not racism but some other word i dont feel like looking up or whatever.
05-13-2014 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Most of them are the working poor. Working two jobs to get by.
Doctors making a lot of money isn't simply because they've worked hard.
05-13-2014 , 01:45 PM
Obamacare is causing uninsured clinics to close. Another strike in the attack on the poors. In states with the Medicaid expansion, where are the Pamela Waldron's in the world going to go for basic healthcare?

Spoiler:
“Because people are qualifying for insurance coverage through the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, our free medical clinic will not be needed anymore,” clinic director Stacey Bowser told the Mena Star, a local outlet that covers Polk County. “We’ve gone from seeing around 300 people a month on a regular basis, but as people were enrolling in Obamacare, the numbers we were seeing have dropped.”

“There was such a need for many years that we would have people coming through the medical clinic from the time the doors opened early in the morning all the way until 4:00 in the afternoon,” Bowser said. But over the past several months, that changed — and the number of patients in need has dwindled to next to nothing. Only about 80 people came through the clinic in February. By March, that was down to just three people.
05-13-2014 , 01:49 PM
Good for them. That's not been my experience however. I think the population I work with is lower SES than that place though.
05-13-2014 , 01:53 PM
Louisiana didn't expand Medicaid.
05-13-2014 , 01:58 PM
These people would qualify for medicaid. Generally, they don't take care of a lot of basic things for themselves because they aren't really able to. A guy who hears voices and lives under a bridge doesn't tend to take care of medicaid paperwork.
05-13-2014 , 02:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by renodoc

Anti-VEGF injections are nothing short of a miracle for this and many other eye diseases. 40% of patients improve, and the other 60% usually hold their ground.

I'm amazed at the liberals in this thread that don't see Genentech/big pharma as the villains here and like to pile on the doctors.

The fact is that Genentech had a perfectly good drug that they could sell at a profit for $30 a dose and they lopped off part of the molecule so they could sell it for $2000 a dose.

You guys are all: "YAY Genentech!"
05-13-2014 , 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by renodoc
The fact is that Genentech had a perfectly good drug that they could sell at a profit for $30 a dose and they lopped off part of the molecule so they could sell it for $2000 a dose.

You guys are all: "YAY Genentech!"
We actually know this. Amazingly, it's possible for Genentech to be overcompensated and your demands for higher fees to be out of place.
05-13-2014 , 02:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NHA
Obamacare is causing uninsured clinics to close. Another strike in the attack on the poors. In states with the Medicaid expansion, where are the Pamela Waldron's in the world going to go for basic healthcare?

Spoiler:
“Because people are qualifying for insurance coverage through the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, our free medical clinic will not be needed anymore,” clinic director Stacey Bowser told the Mena Star, a local outlet that covers Polk County. “We’ve gone from seeing around 300 people a month on a regular basis, but as people were enrolling in Obamacare, the numbers we were seeing have dropped.”

“There was such a need for many years that we would have people coming through the medical clinic from the time the doors opened early in the morning all the way until 4:00 in the afternoon,” Bowser said. But over the past several months, that changed — and the number of patients in need has dwindled to next to nothing. Only about 80 people came through the clinic in February. By March, that was down to just three people.
Are you being sarcastic? It really isn't clear

Because if you aren't you did a terrible job diagnosing why that clinic closed.
05-13-2014 , 03:52 PM
Oh, the clinic didn't close because of poor people qualifying for medicaid?
05-13-2014 , 03:56 PM
No phill has recognized that you aren't blindly on 'his team', so he basically gets to assume you're a terrible person whenever he wants.
05-13-2014 , 04:00 PM
I think what Phill is saying is that even in Arkansas, the lone South state that opted for federal aid, those going to free clinics weren't affected by the ACA and are now just getting insurance because of the individual mandate.
05-13-2014 , 04:03 PM
No, you're giving him way too much credit.
05-13-2014 , 04:27 PM
Lol, I havent assumed anything. I have read what he quoted that the clinic is closing because it isnt required anymore.

"Where will the poors go for healthcare?"

They will go wherever they went when the clinic went from 300 patients treated in a month down to 80 then to 3. I mean, maybe I could be wrong, but I figure there is not some short term epidemic in healthiness happening.

Saying a clinic closing because people arent using it is "a strike in the attack on the poors" is what confused me. Because its such a ****ing stupid thing to say that I assumed you were joking.
05-13-2014 , 04:46 PM
i'm clearly joking.

just join me in lolling at the south. i find it a minor miracle that arkansas opted in.
05-13-2014 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Doctors making a lot of money isn't simply because they've worked hard.
True.
05-13-2014 , 05:36 PM
itt people hating the doctor that can make people see who only a decade ago would go blind

      
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