LOL cite please.

Have you read this thread?

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For the love of God. I remembered you as being bad and then this spring you made a few good posts so I held hope.

lol at adios ever making a good post in his life

He's made a couple since I joined. I remember them fondly.

Either one of you please explain to me how my uncle is not paying for his insurance.

This could be the most ironic explanation known to man, depending on who rises to the occasion.

Unfortunately yes. To cite this thread as proof of any economic hypothesis is beyond ridiculous, A better question is do you realize it is actually zero, nada, squat proof of your claim?

Clearly, you don't know what socialism is.

That's the Obama admin. plan. The enrollment period is delayed one month. Starts after the mid-term elections. Obama hopes rises in premiums wont be known to many voters.

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It is 45 million uninsured for 2014. The 30-1 million number is for 3 to 10 years from now. It also includes all foreigners who are legally living in the U.S. They are also required to purchase health insurance.

I guess the dispute boils down to whether the catastrophic high deductible plans were in fact teaser rates. I disagree and personally know several self employed people that were satisfied with them that actually had filed claims. Keep parroting the lie.

I'm not sure why all opposition on this forum is grouped into some tea party stereotype. It's like you guys refuse to acknowledge that this law screws some people, primarily families that don't qualify for subsidies or didn't have access to group plans, high deductible privately purchased insurance was the EV play for people that were healthy and could put together the deductible if needed. The private insurance market was dominated by entrepreneurs who make the American economy run, don't even get me started on the business mandates coming up.

Sorry about your uncle, I do believe he should have access to healthcare but why is the law carried on the back of the middle class? I guess you are ok with my hypothetical healthy guy paying $300-$1,000 more a month for coverage he doesn't need or want so the poor and sick are a safe bet for the insurance companies? Taking those funds from the productive and healthy is worth it? Why is it a zero sum game?

Family of 4 making up to $95k gets subsidy. Where the hell did this "punishes the middle class" **** come from?

Lol, private insurance is all kinds of ****ed if a young healthy guy has to pay 1k a month for insurance.

and someone others are arguing that private insurance is cheaper than a socialised model. Amazing.

Middle class guy isn't paying for the subsidies for "unproductive poors", either. Unless he is a medical-device maker, drug maker, or makes over $200k/yr.

I apologize if this has already been posted

Ted Cruz starts a poll on FB asking about the ACA... oops bad idea Ted!

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/03...poll-blows-up/

The Tea Party crusade against the Affordable Care Act (ACA) hit a huge snag this week. On March 24, 2014, Texas Tea Party Senator, Ted Cruz, decided to put up a ‘quick poll,’ about the ACA on his facebook page. Problem? The Koch brothers don’t control the conversation on social media, the people do.
Ask a question, get an answer.

The question Rafael ‘Ted’ Cruz asked on facebook was simple. Are you better off now than you were before the ACA, also called Obamacare, was signed into law, four years ago?

No, Sam, you don't. There's no reason to humor you and pretend you're like some sincerely interested good person who just happens to quibble with the methods.

See, Sammy, when you ask questions like the bolded you give away the game.

The answer to your question is quite simple. Yes. Absolutely. That's the ****ing bedrock principle of the social contract, so yeah.

Sam, what is your plan to provide suzzer's uncle access to health care? Obama ran on expanding coverage 7 years ago, so you've had the better part of a decade to come up with something.

No, us Tea Party stereotypes know Obama and those liberals at the Heritage Institute hate success so they went with the exchange/mandate/subsidy model to punish the middle class, so feel free to fill everyone in on the non zero-sum superior entrepreneur friendly plan:


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We'll wait.

I quit my job last Monday, and will be working as a self-employed contractor for at least the next few months. I make too much for subsidies. Yesterday I signed up for a platinum plan on the exchange that costs just under $280/mo. I will be 32 in May.

This is in Montana, so it's possible that the rates are quite a bit cheaper here, I don't know, but blah blah blah anecdote plural data something something.

Interesting experiment Cruz pulled. If anyone dives less right on ACA when the wind shifts it will be him.

Exactly, it's just like being in a lower tax bracket.

Just signed up my 33 yr old brother. First time he's been insured in several years. Got a one of the cost sharing subsidy silver plans that pays 87% of benefits for 85 a month. He makes like 20k a year and could no way afford this without ACA.

Were you yelling at him for being a moocher and telling him you hope he just ****s off and dies while doing it?

"I really am happy for you, but can I be honest with you for a sec? You realize that you are a government-dependent moocher now, right?"