Money and education won't solve the problem, at least not when it comes from the West. Radical groups like Boko Haram, ISIS et al want the exact opposite, they want a return to the Dark Ages, a "purer time". Education and modern technology is to them a Western cancer. I'm sure that the vast majority of the world's Muslim population abhor the atrocities committed in their name, but really, what the hell are they doing about it? Any reasonable solution has to come from within, not without.

But for France, I fear this is the straw that breaks the camel's back. How much more will they, or should they take before they decide not be reactive any more? If they're gonna be attacked anyway, they may as well go on the offensive and be done with it. Wouldn't surprise me if they decide that they're going after ISIS (regardless if they're directly responsible, which tbh I doubt, imo it's just a sympathiser wannabe) with or without NATO help.

We aren't making progress with Saudi Arabian Wahabi Islam, which is what spawned most of these groups by sending hundreds of millions to countries around the world.

Since Hillary gets money from Saudi I doubt radicalization in the west will stop.

Friend, you're barking up the wrong tree, I have no problem calling this scum****er an Islamic terrorist.

RE: "77 dead bodies, can't you give us a few days to froth at the mouth about Muslims?": I mean I have so limited ability to go to Syria and tell ISIS to **** off but like pearl-clutching mouthbreathers trying to fund a Kickstarter for the gas money to send B-52s to Mecca are all around me. You have to appreciate my sensibilities here, that in these kinds of traumatic events happen, we all want to do something, but I can't go tell jihad dudes to **** off but bloodthirsty idiots who want to wage war and reprogram Muslims are all around me.

I understand we're all human and we all respond to stimulus and the sight of white blood at the hands of Muslims causes you to want to do something like bloodlet some Muslims in reprisal, but remember we all want to act and I feel compelled to do it now, just like you.

All the stuff I listed came from a book by a couple of Clinton administration folks. Reading from the cover, one was the National Security Council "senior director for counterterrorism from 1994-98" and the other "director for counterterrorism on the National Security Council staff." They characterized the stuff as Islamic terrorism. Good book, authors Simon and Benjamin, a lot of folks would benefit by reading it. Re the less terrorism, ahh, you know the point you were trying to make, and that Toothsayer refuted that point. Good night, and thoughts with all impacted by tonight's senseless tradegy.

I love how you build up these hilarious gigantic straw men in your mind. This is more what I'm talking about. And a lot more can be done if we admit there's a giant problem here that's more than a "tiny minority".
So on a day dozens of innocent people including children were mowed down by a truck, and thousands of people ran in total terror, the people who want to have an open discussion about doing something about the ideology which perpetrated this are "sick freaks".

See, this is what the Left does. Rather than talk about the problem at hand:

Step 1: Create an enormous straw man of "right wing fascists".
Step 2: Claim to be terrified by that
Step 3: Use this take the focus off the inconvenient fact that a religion that your president claimed is inherently peaceful just wantonly killed and terrorized yet more people.

You're just a nut, frankly. No different to the Nazi apologists of the 30s.

Pick a Muslim country at random
Kiss another man in a random street with lots of people around. Or simply wear a gay pride shirt. And not back down when you're accused of being a homosexual.

What are your odds of getting a) killed b) lashed?

Now tell me that a good portion of Muslims aren't violent barbarians?

Rinse and repeat for a woman without a male relative escort and not getting shouted down and abused and assaulted.

I challenge you to actually give me a number. Let's see how much you know about the actual Muslim world.

Bonus question: What percentage of global Muslims think that honor killing a female relative (daughter, wife, sister) is sometimes ok?
Islam is the antithesis of many western freedoms, particularly for women, gays, other religions, free speech.

Demographic trends make Muslim majorities (or minorities large enough to control politics) a near certainty in some Western countries in the next 2 generations. Then what?

That you can't see this is weird. If the second and third generation were less religious, rather than more, then perhaps you'd have an out. But they're not.

Honestly, if they didn't violently impose their beliefs on others (and if the religion didn't instruct them to in multiple ways), I couldn't care less what Muslims do. But there's widespread support for Sharia Law, death for leaving Islam, Jihadism, etc.

Obviously these groups don't represent BLM as a whole, but there are dangerous elements within that are not very helpful.

Just listen for a second but not like it matters. One of the worst things that can happen in this world is if Saudi Arabia destabilizes. If you want to get rid of the Wahabis, you're going to have to support a new Saudi government that is willing to go Taiping Rebellion on those dip****s, are you ready for that scale of carnage?

It's not a strawman. There are literally people, both political leaders and posters on 2+2, who are advocating for a mass war against the Islamic world.

Oh sweet, this one video yet again.

That is the root cause, you nailed it.

What if I pick Dearborn, Michigan?

ToothSayer, the worst part of your posts is the repeated invoking of Obama. No idea what purpose that is serving.

Strawman since I never supported any kind of expedition in the middle east not even Afghanistan.

But while we're playing this game, any more emasculated male theories floating around tonight?

I'm glad you read a book, the answer is still no some of the stuff isn't Islamic terrorism. The taking of the hostages in Iran was part of a revolution, call it "revolutionary" terrorism but it was not in any meaningful sense Islamic terrorism.

And what point was that? You domer2 type guys just say one thing, get bitch slapped, and then disappear. On your behalf I accept your retraction, and no hard feelings.

But after a police shooting we don't have threads blow up with "yo we need to kill some ****ing pigs, who with me?" here in this forum. If we did, they would be shamed, and banned. Muslim terrorist event, well, that's exactly what happens.

Did anybody here call for killing innocent muslims? And if they did I disagree with them. I even disagree with how many Obama bombs as of right now are being dropped all over the middle east.

I'm just saying joking around on a night like this is just shake my head worthy.

That **** is tilting. And it's so common here. Usually there's the token cheapshot at Wookie thrown in for reasons. (Seriously? What's with trolls and bad posters speaking about Wookie like he's the anti-Christ or something? I don't get it. He's pretty chill.)

But people will say it's a systematic problem across all law enforcement after a shooting, where a Muslim terror attack are isolated bad people.

They are $ad because this is an echo chamber.

Well, lest you think WWII style ground invasion is possible without some skullcracking,,,

I think we've given the left enough time. It's not working out. The impulse to defend Islam and attack the right in response to Muslims slaughtering their countrymen at an extremely high rate is ****ing bizarre.

Dude, you thought Muslim immigration was going to work out. It didn't. We've all been wrong.

But we know there is literally a racism problem across virtually all law enforcement, even if we also know all cops don't shoot black people indiscriminately.

Pretty obvious that some terrifying percent of Islamic followers have issues, very few people are denying this is the case.

I mean, if suggesting something other than genocide is a more appropriate response to a terrorist attack, guilty as charged: I'm an apologist for radical Islamic terrorism.