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07-15-2016 , 10:57 AM
When will people be able to speak out against Islam?

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An Oklahoma lawmaker who once called Islam “a cancer in our nation that needs to be cut out” has now successfully proposed an interim study to determine the threat and effect of radicalization.

Republican State Rep. John Bennett submitted a proposal to study the “current threat posed by radical Islam and the effect that Shariah Law, the Muslim Brotherhood and jihadist indoctrination have in the radicalization process in Oklahoma and America.”

State lawmakers approved the proposal July 8, along with 71 other studies, for an estimated $50,000, Tricia Pemberton, spokeswoman for the Oklahoma House of Representatives, told BuzzFeed News.
Call me crazy but I'm going to say this 'study' will rely more on Jihad Watch than Oliver Roy or Shiraz Maher

https://www.buzzfeed.com/talalansari...2N#.spvE51BwzL
07-15-2016 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by revots33
The Pew results are dismissed every time they are brought up, probably not even worth bothering.

Cliffs: Huge percentages of average, mainstream Muslims in many countries fully support barbaric and medieval practices, and actively advocate the suppression of human rights for anyone who is not an Islamic male.

Response: But the Muslim I buy my coffee from is a great guy. So it can't be a problem with Islam.
How many mainstream Republicans support carpet-bombing cities and murdering families of terrorists? Like, barbaric practices that are literally
Medieval such as waterboarding are the centerpiece of Trump's campaign.
07-15-2016 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Turn on fox news (one of the most watched news channels in the world?) Right now dollars to doughnuts they're talking about radical islamic terrorism. Watch any other news channel today and i bet they'll at some point have a discussion about radical islamic terrorism. Read the newspapers tomorrow and you'll see pages and pages about radical islamic terrorism. Go to any vaguely political internet forum i guarantee there'll be threads about radical islamic terrorism. Refresh anyones facebook feed and there'll be posts about radical islamic terrorism. Scroll through this thread in well know liberal echo chamber 2+2 and you'll find about half the posters decrying radical islamic terrorism.

Who is supposed to be shutting down conversations about radical islamic terrorism? Because they're doing a pretty ****ty job.
itt? Suzzer99, something called smrk2, Olosauki or something.

I think our complaints are about this forum's Team Discussion Is Pointless not about what's happening on Fox News.

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Originally Posted by MrWookie
As has already been posted, huge quantities of American Christians, Jews, and atheists support random killing of civilians.
Really? I would be quite surprised by that.
07-15-2016 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by martymc1
Didn't look like there was contact between him and the truck but he still went off his bike. Seen reports the attacker fired shots at the start also.

The guy on the scooter alive?
I don't know but looks like it to me. It's a ridiculous video anyway and I don't wanna watch it too often.

German reporter who barely escaped the attacks said police and rescue forces couldn't respond quickly at all as all of the area was blocked off for the festivities. Talked about an Italian guy who lost both legs who couldn't get any help for half an hour.

I don't get how the lorry could approach the crowd like that then. Didn't he have to face marshals / police?
07-15-2016 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ToothSayer
When people respond to racist lynchings of black people with hatred for racism, they're doing half the work for the racist terrorists.
So to turn your metaphor around, the answer is to talk tough about how white people have a fundamental problem every time there's a lynching?

Right - so you hate racism not all white people. Is there anyone on this forum who doesn't hate Islamic terrorism? The problem comes when you want to extend it to all Muslims by saying Islam and the Koran have a fundamental problem.
07-15-2016 , 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
itt? Suzzer99, something called smrk2, Olosauki or something.

I think our complaints are about this forum's Team Discussion Is Pointless not about what's happening on Fox News.



Really? I would be quite surprised by that.
Wtf is that? I've been here for years Jay, no need to purposefully **** up my name to indicate unimportance.
07-15-2016 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Wtf is that? I've been here for years Jay, no need to purposefully **** up my name to indicate unimportance.
You have a tough name to spell/remember! I recognize you by avatar.
07-15-2016 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Tien
Sorry the ones planting seeds of anger and disdain for western culture is Islamists, or militant Islam. Stop being confused about this. The Orlando shooter's dad even said its not up to humans to punish gays, leave it to God. The ones criticising Islam are not at fault.
The Chilcot Report made it loud and clear that our actions have led to the radicalization of impressionable Muslims and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future so long as we are at war in the Middle East. When you think about it, their response shouldn't be much of a shock. Hypothetically if China decided to bomb the U.S. and invade, I'm sure it would radicalize people to fight against the Chinese.

That's the reality that politicians are unwilling to admit to their people. It is their actions that led to this. We are partly responsible for the worldwide spread of militant Islam. I'm not saying that we are responsible for all terrorism in the world but before 9/11, groups like these were merely blips on the radar. An attack here and there, but nothing as widespread as this.

Every time an attack occurs, people start talking about upping the attacks in the ME and taking the gloves off (among other combat-related idioms). Yet, terrorism is still on the rise despite all of this tough talk, drone strikes and troop surges. It's like a moron running into a brick wall. You'd think at some point people would regroup and try something different.

Honestly, I have no idea how to stop this. It would be great if I did. Neither our current President nor the candidates for his job have any long-term plan on how to win a war against terror. I mean, you're fighting an ideology that people are willing to die for in droves. You can kill people who hold the ideology but the beliefs will live on.

The whole thing is depressing to think about. It's a problem that nobody has a solution to. From my perspective, I think the US government likes the fact that they're at war and probably wants to keep it that way. They can use the terrorism boogeyman to scare people into giving them more power and control both in domestic and foreign affairs.
07-15-2016 , 11:14 AM
Lol at me "shutting down conversations." I just wrote this ten ****ing minutes ago, and I wrote the same **** last night.

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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
That's all I heard last night itt too. So loltastic, people claiming they aren't allowed to talk about things, but when explicitly told to speak up they never seem to have anything to say.
07-15-2016 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
itt? Suzzer99, something called smrk2, Olosauki or something.

I think our complaints are about this forum's Team Discussion Is Pointless not about what's happening on Fox News.


Who have they stopped from discussing the problems with Muslims? I get that they disagree but how are they stopping anyone from saying things they want to say?
07-15-2016 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
"Sporadic shootings", what the ****? Do you read the news?

We're closing in on over 6000 deaths this year in the US alone.
But there's nothing we can do because 2nd amendment bro. Terrorism however - those lives matter more.
07-15-2016 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
You have a tough name to spell/remember! I recognize you by avatar.
The exclamation mark's a tell. Ok Jay, ok.
07-15-2016 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Louis Cyphre
As for countries that harbor and foster terrorists, I consider that an act of war and act accordingly.
This has worked out really really well for combating terrorism, especially causes of terrorism.
07-15-2016 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by awval999
There is no end game for ISIS and ISIS sympathizers.

They just want to watch the world burn.

They will never establish their caliphate in Europe.

In the end, if they have to, Europe will march the every last Muslim out of their Continent. As they have before, with the Muslims in the Iberian peninsula. History just repeats itself. If the Western Civilization of Europe has to chose between it's survival and a caliphate, they will choose what generations of humans have chosen before. Violence.
Imagine the horror. This would be like the Trail of Tears x a million.

Now imagine you're some Muslim just peacefully living their life in a European country, and your world is thrown into horror because a few *******s are running around doing horrible things in the name of your religion. Does that seem like a fair and just outcome? Should that really be on the table?
07-15-2016 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...t_attacks#2016

Doesnt hold a candle to the number of our own people we take out each year with guns.
Damn I'm getting ponied right and left.
07-15-2016 , 11:27 AM
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The cousin of Nice attacker Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel has claimed that he 31-year-old drank alcohol, ate pork, took drugs, never went to mosque and did not observe Ramadan.

His cousin, who was not named, told The Daily Mail that Bouhlel was “not a Muslim” and was an “unlikely jihadist”.

He said his cousin beat his wife, with whom he has three children, and was in the process of getting divorced.

“He was not a Muslim, he was a s***. He beat his wife, my cousin, he was a nasty piece of work,” the cousin said.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/li...ice-1290953899

Better get ready because Western Civilization is ending because of guys like this.
07-15-2016 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Damn I'm getting ponied right and left.
Yea I posted in the guns thread but France would have to have a mass shooting like they had in Paris, or presumably someone running over people like yesterday every month for a year to reach the per capita gun homicide rate in the US.
07-15-2016 , 11:31 AM
Graphic content, new information from the previous large scale attack in France.

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07-15-2016 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
itt? Suzzer99, something called smrk2, Olosauki or something.

I think our complaints are about this forum's Team Discussion Is Pointless not about what's happening on Fox News.



Really? I would be quite surprised by that.
How is me saying "Ok assuming Islam is the problem, what do you think we should do about it?" in any way stifling discussion?

Or is the whole point to just have a big reverse Kumbaya about how terrible Islam is, and I'm ruining it by trying to focus on solutions?
07-15-2016 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/li...ice-1290953899

Better get ready because Western Civilization is ending because of guys like this.
A billion people who actively support militant jihad and yet somehow these ****ups are their A-Team.
07-15-2016 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Who have they stopped from discussing the problems with Muslims? I get that they disagree but how are they stopping anyone from saying things they want to say?
Special Powers my man. You're not gonna get a satisfying answer to this.
07-15-2016 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
Graphic content, new information from the previous large scale attack in France.

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You do know which thread you're in, right?

WTF does this have to do with the truck attack yesterday?
07-15-2016 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/li...ice-1290953899

Better get ready because Western Civilization is ending because of guys like this.
Islam clearly radicalized this guy. We need to find the Imam.
07-15-2016 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
How is me saying "Ok assuming Islam is the problem, what do you think we should do about it?" in any way stifling discussion?

Or is the whole point to just have a big reverse Kumbaya about how terrible Islam is, and I'm ruining it by trying to focus on solutions?
It's stifling discussion because it gets in the way of pure unadulterated **** talking about Muslims.
07-15-2016 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Islam clearly radicalized this guy. We need to find the Imam.
Seems like we need to shut down bars and pig farms. End these radicalising evils at the root.

      
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