I'll go with "most of what Toothsayer posted."

My best guess for helping integration is cultural exchange. Get Hollywood movies in Mideast theaters. Foreign exchange students. Repeal laws (mostly in Europe) that limit integration. In France, there are 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants who aren't citizens with associated limited job prospects.

This goes the other way too. The US MSM occasionally runs stories on non-Jihadi Muslims, but it would be nice if they did more.

Or you could stay on point and not be sarcastic and actually say something. Stop being a martyr.

I never would've guessed a truck could kill that many at once, that's for sure.

They're saying it went unstopped for 2km. The streets were packed and there was a lot of noise (a live band nearby, still some firecrackers going off).

Me too. A tiny atoll of reason in an enormous ocean of self-hate and misplaced guilt.

No kidding.

I saw a video and it didn't even look like it was going that fast.

The physics of automobiles is more than our brains can really handle, especially since we're so used to them. They have like the speed of a cheetah and the size of an elephant. We're so frail in comparison.

Feel the same way and respond accordingly?

I don't think evil is very complicated, you could even say it's banal. I think racism is more complicated than straight evilness. There's more to say in a discussion about racism than a discussion of how evil a religion is. I think.

You are assuming all cultures/religions are willing to integrate or are at least moderately compatible with 21st century Western democracy. That's simply not the case.

To paraphrase, what should be done is we have to stop pretending radical Islam doesn't intersect with moderate or mainstream Islam. What does doing that entail though? What does that mean in practice?

Excellent report about what the hell is going on:

http://www.hbo.com/vice/episodes/vic...sis/index.html

Because it is a garbage country. They are institutionally racist and otherwise prejudiced to their own citizens with a baked in class divide enforced with a barrier off poor to no opportunities erected around the slums they built and this spreads from the government down.

When you build a society of Eloi and Morlocks you have to accept from time to time Morlocks will leave their tunnels and kill a few Eloi.

You are excusing ghettoisation of a people where they have the boot of the white man on their throat holding them back in poverty and hopelessness.

France today is the South of America in the fifties. Except the entire country has Jim Crow laws and no one is standing up for the downtrodden.

I mean this doesn't excuse murder but it explains clearly why France has an extremism problem. When you see little value in your own life and those around you it's super easy to think mass murder could change things and better the lives of your friends and family.

Ironically Frances response has always been more racism and prejudice. Sooner or later they might get it, but I suspect not.

This meme about how anti-Islam posters want a SAFE SPACE confuses me, because the only posters who literally complain about people posting stuff are the DISCUSSION IS POINTLESS brigade, where you're not allowed to post about Islam being a problem unless you have a solution that can be outlined in a paragraph.

It's worth revisiting how this came about, here's DVaut from 2010 for instance:

At some point since then, probably right around the time ISIS declared a goddamn caliphate and thousands of people decamped from the West to go fight for them, it presumably dawned on him that the "those people are all crazy loony toons who looked into their magic book and thought it told them to blow themselves up" theory might have some truth to it.

So then we moved on to the current forum party line which is that OK, Islam might be bad, but that can never be discussed by anyone unless they can propose policy solutions to the problem. Here's suzzer manning the barricades on page 1 of this thread:

I'm not endorsing wooderson or DCUERVO as posters, and for all I know they do actually want fascist responses to Islam, but that's NOT what is being thrashed out here. Suzzer is attacking them merely for having the temerity to post that Islam is a problem. Safe spaces, indeed.

The fact that a big chunk of America's population are hate-filled, racist morons who want to elect Trump is a huge problem. It's discussed constantly here. Yet I've never seen anyone post what they think we should do about it. Everyone understands that it's a big and intractable problem. Everyone also understands that correct diagnosis of the problem - that is, is it just racism and hate, or do these people have real grievances? - is essential to eventually figuring out what to do. I'm genuinely not sure whether or not people are just pretending not to understand this about Islam.

I understand the concern about stoking fascist tendencies in the US, but the idea that a blizzard of obfuscation and disingenuous bull**** is going to avert this is laughable.

Lost track of the post on twitter but apparently Isis has encouraged running people over since 2014. Especially against Americans and what they referred to as "the spiteful french." Sorry wish I could dig up the post.

This is actually pretty scary. Any radical ******* can get ahold of a car. The thought that one day you are walking down sidewalk and you need to watch your back for cars is pretty ****ing scary. No background check will stop a terrorist from purchasing a hummer and driving into a crowd.

Why don't you start. What should we do about Islam?

Stoking fascist tendencies is bad, and obfuscation is bad. What should be done to "avert this"?

It's not pointless if you have something to say. How many different ways can you say that Islam is a problem? Do you have new insight into this problem, something that's been overlooked here or not considered? A guy earlier wanted to talk about how evil it is, he bailed before getting into the evilness of it all though. Maybe you can pick up where he left off?

Wtf would the attacker have fake grenades and fake rifles for?

Grunching.

Something similar happened a few years ago in the Netherlands when a mentally deranged (?) person drove into a crowd on their "royal family day".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...nto-crowd.html

Possible inspiration for this guy.

Well that's wildly specific, he posted a lot of things. Do you have a favorite thing he posted? FWIW, he was mocked the least. He got off on the wrong foot by citing a bogus article that asserted 16% of French citizens supported ISIS. Two problems with that article, one even if every sentient French Muslim supported ISIS that would be under 10% because of loldemography and two it was a poll from Russia Today, which is precisely worth nothing, as it is a propaganda outlet funded by the Kremlin.

Some network should man up and do a Cosby show featuring a Muslim family (sans the rapist dad obv), I actually think that might help a little bit.

"Muslimish"

It sounds like they really had it coming. These racists must be stopped at all cost!

In the thread about the Paris attacks we have seen the same spiel asking posters that were critical of Islam for detailed solutions. Anyone who had the audacity to try to identify a problem without in the same breath providing step-by-step instructions for solving the Middle East was dismissed out of hand. I will quote a post of my own to save me from typing it all out again.

After repeatedly insisting every poster have a "political point" or "solution" this is the reply I got from one of the loudest voices in the thread:



which leaves me wondering how genuine those asking for solutions actually are.

Sigh. Player to player, pimp to pimp, what is wrong with telling you to use an enter key there? That post is long and hard to read. There's a happy medium between raising 0 worthwhile points (which is what most Clash of Civilizations guys accomplish) and raising 19 points, and it's not really a medium, it's between 1 and 3 good points.