God what a ****ing mess

Here's an article about the video two posts above.

The brave women of the Middle East: Female protesters brutally beaten with metal poles as vicious soldiers drag girls thorugh streets by their hair in day of shame

Russia and China appear to be major roadblocks in attempts to stop the Syrian slaughter.

Yup. I recognize that the US can't be expected to right every wrong in this world. Is there anything that can be done here?

Not sure what can or should be done. I don't have access to all of the intel etc on the situation obviously, so w/e I say would be wild speculation anyway.

McCain, as you prolly heard, is recommending engagement and/or arming the Syrian rebs.

And I've heard about possible US airstrikes a la Libya, which is pretty alarming.

There doesn't seem to be the same kind of international outrage and call to action though. If the US does get involved with airstrikes, I'd prefer another strong coalition.

Apparently, Syria also has a sizable and capable military. I really have only heard about it on the news and have not looked into it at all.

I just don't like the way China and Russia seem to care more about continuing their various weapons and other trade contracts with Syria.

I get the sense that it will be a long time, if ever, before China and Russia become stabilizers in the intl community. It's all geopolitical power struggles and oil and weapons deals with them. Not that that hasn't been true with the US, UK and Europe in the past and currently too. But EU, UK and US had oil and weapon deals with Libya, and we still decided to sacrifice those deals to stop the slaughter.

Prolly my repressed bleeding heart but I hope the international community can figure out a way to help.

As crazy as it sounds Russia/China just don't value human life, specifically the peasant types, as much as we do in the United States.

It's not just about bleeding hearts, it's about regional stability. We can't let every tyrant think they can rule by force imo.

Yeah, this is what I sense too, and it's annoying.

Unless you're attending a funeral or are responding to the wounded, of course.

I never said the U.S. perfect or even good. But the folks who run China/Russia don't really care much for the plight of even their own citizens.

This.

And China and Russia have a lot of power in the UN.

Meh, I think it's an overblown American pride thing that we care so much about life. One of those things that most of the world probably LOL's at us as we think we are so noble and righteous.

Our leaders policies with sanctions and wars, which is generally strongly supported by the American people, have caused the deaths of many, many people, including women and children, in the name of wars without much purpose. Also, some of these worthless wars (Iraq), which were strongly supported by the military industrial complex looking to make profits, caused the death of thousands of Americans. So our own citizens are not exempt either.

*I agree China/Russia have done this to their own citizens to a much larger degree.

I'm just glad the world is pissed at Russia and China instead of us for a while.

"Better him than me"

Speaking of slaughter, how many non-militants (civilians) in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan have been killed by America this last decade?
According to wikileaks Iraq alone was up to 66K between 2003 - 2010

It is funny how America can get away with painting China and Russia as the bad guys because 5K civilians died in Syria, meanwhile 5-6K civilians are being killed every month by American soldiers.

How can you not see that Russia and China are the bad guys when it comes to Syria? World opinion is not on your side.

I keep hearing this argument over and over again on various forums/youtube videos ect...

Why is it that you can't realize that it doesn't matter what atrocities that the U.S. did in Iraq when regarding Syria right now?

The U.S., Russia, and China are all countries that have done and will do terrible things to people, I agree with you completely that the U.S. murdered tons of people in Iraq but, Russia and China are currently economically supporting a genocidal maniac using an army of thugs hell bent on killing any non-Alawi person in Syria and you can't realize that Russia and China are just as bad as the U.S.

The focus now needs to be getting Russia and China to stop supporting this bastard so these people can stop being slaughtered.

tl;dr:
your attacking of the U.S. govt. will not do a single thing to stop the killing of Syrian people so, why can't you learn to also attack the Russian/Chinese governments when they do something bad???

So how come the non-interventionist brigade isn't in this thread cheering Russia and China?

What deals were sacrificed and how exactly are they worth less than new deals coming down the pike?

I read about Marie Colvin a little. She's an American and she was killed in Syria today. Previously she also reported from Chechnya and Sri Lanka (where she lost an eye because of shrapnel).

Just yesterday she reported on the death of a baby:


I honestly think that this might be the trigger that causes foreign powers to intervene.

The Baroness works for the London Sunday Times?

as a ghost writer?

http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/docs/88...erdogan-s.html

sorry, can someone explain to me why Libya got help to take down Gaddafi, but Syrians are getting massacred?

Russia and China.