I get your point, but two things

1- I think it's easy to read a bit too much intent into an RT/share. It's a pretty fleeting thing.

2- I think the Russia stuff is something that could actually resonate with undecided voters. If you assume they're more the USA#1 type, Trump being an actual traitor could be a deal breaker. While the most recent story seems iffy, it's part of an ongoing theme and looks more concrete than just speculation from government agencies.

3- I'm not surprised that Clinton's approach isn't resonating with you, because they're not trying to court you (or me) at this point. It's easy to make the argument against Donald Trump to smart liberals, but the people who aren't horrified by him from jump, I'm not going to get too judgey about how you attempt to reach them, because I've got no ****ing clue. My only move is insulting them, no idea how you reason with 'em.

Yeah it surely didn't work. Just look how well countries with no QE equivalent are doing. :eyeroll:

Why do we have to solve problems that haven't even cone up yet? If somebody asked in 1940 how we would deal with another great depression the correct answer would have been "don't waste your time thinking about it".

Yeah, at some point in the future unemployment will go up, GDP may contract etc. You plan on being chicken little until that happens?

There's some merit to this, and I guess leave it all the field, but I'm frustrated at how many hanging curveballs she took in the first few innings to come out hacking in the 9th

thanks. yeah I saw that a few days ago, but forgot where it was.

thats a good point actually, the past 1,5 years the radical right have had their voices heard on all news media all day long through trump.

I am referring to current problems, not being a chicken little. The analogy I would use is that you have just finished one battle of a war which you won (which is great), however you are now out of bullets. In your mind it is time to declare victory and just hope the bullets magically reappear. In my mind it is time to try and figure out how to get more bullets for the next battle.

A healthy economy doesn't have 0 percent interest rates, median household income that is lower now than it was 20 years ago, federal debt levels that have risen 100% over the last 10 years or so, etc. I agree that some signs such as employment and the stock market are healthy but that isn't the result of normal market mechanisms. They are largely the result of QE the size of which the modern world has never seen and perverse incentives created by artifically low interest rates (Some of the same perverse incentives that gave us the housing bubble).

And I am not saying any of this from a THANKS OBAMA perspective. I voted for Obama, I am voting for Hillary and I think Obama did a good job cleaning up a mess he inherited from his predecessor. I think many of the problems with our current economy have been mostly caused by republicans. All I am saying is that it is not time to declare victory, there are still significant problems in the economy that need addressing and in this complete **** show of an election season have gone almost completely undiscussed in any meaningful way because EMAILZ and ORGY VIDS and DERPLORABLES. I also think some of you want to gloat about the economy and ignore the warts because it scores you political points which just seems ridiculous.

Nate Silver ‏@NateSilver538 27m27 minutes ago
Our model forecasts the popular vote as Clinton 49.2, Trump 44.7.
What if we removed the ABC/Post poll entirely? Clinton 49.3, Trump 44.5.

This may be the only good thing to come out of this election. Unlike previous elections, religious beliefs and really anything related to religion haven't even been discussed. It goes to show that America is taking steps away from the restrictions of religion and towards a more secular society.

The bad news is that despite people fading from religion, they are still holding the deplorable beliefs that are once based around religion. So, it's a chicken/egg scenario. Did the beliefs come and religion was used as a way to make them seem less offensive or did religion actually influence the beliefs?

lol'd irl

Love the brutal honesty.

"Are you crazy?"
"Of course I am. I'm sitting here in mask."

Would be interesting if most of the Trump supporters are just Russian trolls working for the Kremlin.

538 having Clinton at only a 58% probability in North Carolina is pretty lol, no?

Yeah the guy is definitely more in tune about his role than the woman.

So essentially the ABC poll is ****

currently 1.65 (60%) on Betfair fwiw

It ties in with what Dvaut said though. Right wing evangelicals self selected to tie into white identity grievances and therefor made themselves into terrible people who incidentally believed in Jesus. When evangelicals started becoming mobilized there actually was a schism between those who wanted 'pro life' to actually be a continuous movement throughout the child's life and so wanted to push neonatal care, child care, maturity and paternity leave, etc. Basically making the family and family care a core concern, but white identity politics stipulated that you couldn't give too much care to minorities and that combined with libertarianish right wingers meant that any serious government ability to push those things wouldn't happen. Those religious people who wanted those thing were and are still religious and still want those things because of religious reasons, they just self selected to be in the Democratic Party.

NYTimes Upshot is reporting that 37% of the vote is already in and it is Clinton +12. They are projecting a total finish of Clinton +6.

edit - tbf they "think" it is Clinton +12 based on vote history but do not know this for a fact.

This is the same problem since Day 1 of her campaign. At some point you have to assume it's a feature, not a bug, and that's how she wants to govern -- as basically like Reagan or George H.W. Bush's moderate Secretary of Defense.

If I'm not mistaken you agreed with the sales pitch, while simultaneously claiming you would love to live in a country that would elect Bernie Sanders as president. That's lame as ****.

Did you vote for Hillary or Bernie in the primary? If you previously said it I apologize.

It would be interesting to see the Democratic Party become the new party of religious people. After all when you think about it, they are more in tune with what religious beliefs are regarding helping the poor and needy through various welfare programs. To them, stuff like gay marriage and transgender bathrooms don't mean much in the grand scheme of things. So, why not allow those people to have their rights? Doesn't make society worse.

Trump symbolizes stepping away from family values and the sanctity of marriage bull**** that religious people claim to care about when the truth is that the only thing that matters to them is preventing women from getting life-saving abortions.

Without religion as a cover, Republicans are outed douchebags who are only interested in oppressing people who aren't them. I think at that point, it becomes much easier to hate them than it is now. I wonder if that's a good thing though. We're divided enough as it is. The vile attacks are only going to get worse over time.

Haha no. I assure you most come to religion primarily for themselves.


Edit: to add to this it IS the religious right wing that IS against gay marriage. Where have you been? Unless I'm misreading your post

I'm a pretty vocal Hillary critic and would not go this far. She's neocon enough that people wanting to illegally overthrow democratically elected governments in Central America or Presidents of Bechtel who want to destroy and rebuild the middle east are invited to the table to talk, but thankfully so are the people who actually mind if hundreds of thousands of people in another country die.

afaict it's all dependent on their final poll being accurate though. the makeup of voters is looking the way they predicted it would, but if trump is actually +25 among white voters, instead of the +19 in their poll, then the results will be different even with the same demographics.

this is correct

There's always been a lot people who are pious mainly for show.

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