hey i agree completely but obviously a lot of money was bet on that horse not just to win but all wagers and those people got a ****ty deal. buyer beware and all of that but there has to be some level of trust you are getting a fair race.

If you want to wager on something that is "fair" then horse racing isn't the game to be in. I understand your mad because a 2/5 shot didn't fire but this type of **** happens all of the time. Maybe the drop doesn't result in the favorite being 2/5 but a giant dropper in this case on a circuit like NYRA is usually even money. This is why Pick 5's and 6's are so hard to hit. Giant drops are all part of the guessing game for horsemen and bettors. You have to figure out if the trainer is trying to pull a fast one and sell an animal who couldn't beat me in a race or if he just wants the fellow horsemen to think that so no one claims him and the horse wins by 10 in hand.

im not mad didnt cost me anything, just dont like seeing this sort of thing. dont want to get into a big thing but this isnt a situation where the horse didnt "fire". thats all i'll say. back at it sunday good luck to everyone playing

Took a look at this myself and the 1st thing that i noticed was the softball sized turf chunks being thrown back so the turf was not very nice at all. Field size was too big for an ideal play against the bj'er in the S pool and i did not look at the PP's but if i had i would of had red flags drawn going the wrong way and would of wondered why and would of checked trainer %'s in these drop down spots 2+ classes etc...See this all the time and i guess so use to it i try to make $$ on the S pool when i see this type of spot.

Watched fights tonight and undercard was damn good and ME decent. Had a surreal scene myself tonight..I go a little ways each day to stretch the leg and a neighbor usually has his pit on a leash but tonight i see out of the corner of my eye he is one hop snow bank one hop over fence and 2 jumps and ready to snap into me like a slim jim Shocked me so i smacked at him and got some nose but he backed away and i just yelled to get his azz back home and he did. Going to have to talk to him tomorrow that could of been a kid or someone who does not like animals as much as me and dog could be sitting elsewhere then home this evening. I pickled the beast LOL...Prefer not to do this my next walk

Understood but this type of thing is par for the course. No way to stop it especially if the vets see the horse fit prior to a race. If you watch the NYRA circuit then you should be familiar with Jacobson and Rodriguez. Those guys pull stunts like this on a regular basis.

That **** is very scary. I had a similar incident happen about 2 months ago. I was running around my complex and some fat bitches dog got loose from the dog park and she couldn't catch him so instead of going after him she just let him roam free in our complex. So not knowing this at all I turn a corner during my run and this dog sees me running (owner nowhere in sight) and starts running right at me. Big ****ing dog too not a pitbull but big and mean looking. I jumped on a car hood and then from the car hood jumped on the roof of an SUV. Thankfully one of the maintenance guys seen the whole thing go down and jumped in his truck and picked me up. I honestly don't know how people can have an animal like a pitbull or something just as big and not be aware that they can potentially hurt people. I went in to my complex and went off on management because my thoughts were the same as yours. I could have either been a kid or an older person (Like yourself Honcho) and not been able to escape like Jason Bourne.

Damn man! Ya it was like i said surreal i was in awe at the athletic move he made to get over that fence but at same time i knew it was going to be on in a few seconds LOL slow motion type deal and i just got aggressive back and not sure if that is right but all i thought of was to punch then scold and sure the scolding did more because i did not catch him as well as i wanted. Going over there now to tell home owner and hope he is not a dik about it because i have less patience with people than animals.

NYRA as you mention is exactly as that too and because i know there is not a damn thing i can do to change it i just try to roll with it and make a $$ off it as sick as that sounds and makes me feel. See a DJ horse hit early on a card and or he has a full card that day you just cant leave any of his horses off multiple plays.

Decent day at Del Mar yesterday but made a mistake Friday catching a 23-1 in a leg and not having a DD play when i had a solid opinion on the race behind the turf one cost me some $$ because i was making a PK4 play that did not pan instead of staying focused on the race at hand. Like to play an ALL when i have an opinion that a race will fall apart and a number will win and have a solid opinion behind it on a horse is a profitable angle for me lately.

Old? Mid 40's man and i am in my prime ;]

Monkeys riding Dogs? I just watched some NFL highlights because i listen to games on radio and saw this and nothing has been more right! This needs to happen asap! I do not care if we get 5 dogs and 5 monkeys as long as here is a S pool included. Do not know enough about monkeys yet to cap but sure there is a MRF sight with replays This is just too good to be true

Did i see somewhere this weekend that someone dragged the PK6 at GG on a $1.60 Ticket for a payoff of $145K+? If so that is about as sick as i have heard of.

Reading up on some different horse outlets really enjoy Horse Racing Nation with their writing style and knowing a lot of the people involved makes it cool as well. HPB sends a nice newsletter to the forum each month with great info and writing style as well that is an easy read. DRF use to be the bible for everyone i know it was me and i enjoy a lot of their different personalities and such but without formulator PP's i think they would have to rethink the whole operation imo.

Been watching Xpressbet with their HDTV Video and i do not think it is as tight as NYRA i do like it a bunch and for all the reasons i have mentioned prior. Unless TS and CHD catch up soon they will feel this because horse players want HDTV because once you have watched it this way there is no going back.

Best of luck to all itt on their plays this week.

Sick sick game. I heard about it but haven't seen any article about it. If someone has one please post the link.

Knew i saw it somewhere this weekend
http://www.goldengatefields.com/race...en-pick-6-149k

Hello and happy holidays to all. Hope everyone is doing well and taking care. Very disappointed to see that the pizza man is coming for a turf race without flo the jock thursday. Of course $$mike is a great choice but im looking future into it and im starting to think maybe those connection and him are splitting. Its ok hes young great jock whom last 3years has made a name for himself and more offers are sure to come. Havent been playing much since breeders cup cash out. Waiting for opening day santa anita dec 26. 2016 derby action opened up of course west coast horses on top again lol (east coast sire ) but its ok. Horse showed heart. Great connections. Great jock as long as they keep him busy. Cali chrome working on comeback but works are dragging a lil hope he improves or they let him relax. Hes proved enough. What i see if all goes right is $$mike going out on top 2016 with hollendorfer helping him. I just cant figure why mr. Hollendorfer cant keep those horses safe like his greatest of all (to me) blind luck. Well shared belief and song bird heres to the brightest of futures to come

Just saw this tonight.

LoL Mahoning Valley Race Track.

The rulings state the "investigation also determined that there was no evidence of any attempt to fraudulently affect the outcome of a race."
...really???

http://wkbn.com/2015/11/05/male-hors...intown-racino/

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...o-horse-mix-up

Aqueduct 11/25/15

1.) 2-4-5
2.) 4-5-2
3.) 5-2-7
4.) 8-4-2
5.) 8-1-3
6.) 9-1-8
7.) 4-8-3
8.) 1-6-2
9.) 7-10-9

Tough card today at the Big A...Going with Lions,Panthers,Packers for 3 ball teams in the Pigskin & Ponies contest on TS...Took it down last year and thought i did real good until pdiggz explained it was $60 LOL with only splitting it with 11 people too because it was points to coin not just coin.

One point two million and start #20 coming up for Mr. Z.

Aqueduct 11/27/15

1.) 4-6-3
2.) 8-6-4
3.) 1-3-4
4.) 9-4-10
5.) 5-1-4
6.) 8-5-3
7.) 11-4-8
8.) 4-2-7
9.) 6-7-5

Another tough card today at the Big A but see value throughout the card today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2L-2lXhw3A

Looks like the connections told MP to try and rate PZ some and make a late last run...what happened by my eye was strangling and a horse that wanted no part of that game plan...very nice win by Tonalist there and nice to see he found his NY hoof again

Bit of shame for a horse as good as PZ. Get introduced to runhappy then this.

Anyone going to play the Kentucky derby futures wager? I really like the way mohaymen performed yesterday in the Remsen. Already is 3-0 and won at 9 furlongs. The horse rated really well. Competition wasn't elite but think he's my early favorite for the KD (which isn't saying much).

Other than that, I'm not really a fan of any other horses listed. Will prolly put a small amount on mohaymen and re-evaluate in next 2 pools. I'm not a believe in nyquist. Think he has distance limitations. Thought pools were simple to evaluate last year after AP romped in the front runner without being even whipped.

I was happy to learn that California Chrome is scheduled to return in the 1-1/16 mile $200,000 San Pasqual Stakes (gr. III) Jan. 9, 2016 at Santa Anita. This is a good distance for his return.

Chrome is just not built for 9 or 10 furlongs in open company. He looked much smaller than the competition in Dubai last winter, in my opinion. He's got speed but his lack of size will keep him on the fringes, at best, in any of the Group 1 races at 9 or 10 furlongs for older horses.

His connections would be smart to leverage his front running speed and stay in races at 8 furlongs max.

And we're still waiting to see what he can really do on the turf.
Turf is where he might have the most potential next year.

In case anyone thinks this is relevant .. and missed it.

http://www.drf.com/news/betfair-gain...ing-license-us

I dont think its automatic, that the exchange isnt veto'd .. but. would certainly be interested to see the markets, and its effect on players, when they see the 'true' odds, without a 25% handle take-out.

Even if it gets through it would only be legal in one state that I don't think any of us live in.

This. Thanks for the post dundalk. They sat on this for about 4 years in NJ since it was approved and 2 in CA. Reason is the tracks and jocks do not believe they will get a fair shake in the breakdown of $$. IMO the reason they try it in NJ is to fail and they can say "See it did not work or draw interest so that"s that" and they will want to just move on and continue with this tote style same ol same ol bs. There is a way to get the horse player back in the picture and at the decision table but not sure there is enough energy behind it atm.

I have been preaching EW itt for 5 years now and know if it is run correct and explained correct and marketed fairly it be will another option as a go along to the tote. Believe they have both over seas and both are used and offer something of benefit to the player if they are sharp and line shop. For me EW will allow me to be my own book and the way i want it.

In a sports sense i guess it is like Live Betting. I have not used it to all its potential but it is a great way to hedge and ensure a "sure bet" in several ways if your initial opinion on an event is correct.

I have used it to try and get a cheaper ML on Football after kick and having no favorite team or any crap like that once i get my fair price i lay and if i am correct as i anticipate i hedge then get on to the next event with an opinion or day. I can not do this with horses for the computer type player and large volume etc because horses to me is personal and i do have favorites. Man has to know his limitations

Its interesting, for a number of reasons.

The Uk (Betfairs home mkt), have live bookies on course, and not just a tote as comparison.

For a US player, to see a price, they can take, and potentially back/lay to improve the average price they are taking, I think it will be incredibly powerful, and soon US players would move the majority of their action .. providing their was sufficient liquidity etc .. but, feel sure, that would be taken care of.

I am sure most 'old hands' on here, know how to improve your avg price, but, its a leap for some, to be able to bet, in virtual over-round free mkts, with no transaction cost, until the result is known.

Just in case some dont understand ..

Lets say, u like, Horse A - lets call him Trigger, who is 3.0 or a 2/1 chance.

U want to back him, for $40.

U could just place the bet, and effectively have $80/40, which if it wins, u will prob pay 2% comm on the $80. if it loses, u pay nothing.

Or, u could maybe, place $50 on Trigger at 3.0, and try to lay back, $10 at 2.9, so, if both bets are matched, your avg price, now increases to over 2/1.

If u have accurate tissues, and can reliably predict the final SP of a runner, then u can find a LOT of value, in an exchange. I think if it taught properly, it will open a lot of eyes.