Thank you Honcho. Jus to start the derby debate & fire things up........ I know I was on Hopportunity when i last posted my opinion on the derby & he's still gonna b a horse i use on all my tix, but i can no longer endorse him solely for obv trouncing reasons by his main cali foe & the field he beat n ark has proven to b a malARKy bunch. Wise guy horse seems to b the Jerkens runner, but lets face it, its Cali Chromes race to win or lose (as long as he ships well,cos apparently he ships horribly)imho. What do yall think?

yeah i saw he won Ill Derby. nice score, man! glad i could help :-)

I did make that future bet on Hoppertunity. 15-1, which should be a steal. CC definitely looks to be the class of the bunch. Will definitely be my key horse. Might take a shot with Intense Holiday.

hey honcho one of my fav things Walk said was that his ADW was a savings account and he'd keep depositting money in and hopefully he'd be able to withdraw 1 day. i miss some of the guys that used to post back in the day.

with the derby - the winner almost always comes out of FL derby like 6 of last 10 or 12 or something. constitution is out. so where do you go? vicar's in trouble if he gets a good post draw - dangerous.

ATS - i just checked equibase - casse is 2-27 this yr in graded races. so 0-25 before, haha.

That is craziness pdigz. 0for25. Omg. Cant make this stuff up.

Pdiggz I for some reason just used TheWalk as a guy itt to blame all bad beats on forget how it started way back then but I also miss his post and sayings and if I remember correct he did start to withdraw there towards his last postings here but def a good guy and miss his take on things but most important his picks so I could get a few to fade to go along with mine really narrows it down

I do miss a lot of the old posters but we def have a solid group with some new faces and HANA dropping in monthly and Ed Derosa. I mean from where this thing started with me just throwing picks up and pissing Kevroc off by cluttering up the sports section and him just starting a thread.

Just thought I'd chime in and say I'm still lurking . Finishing up my last few months overseas. My father has finish line tickets to the Belmont this year and I can't go of course. That means this will be the year of the triple crown winner

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Does it matter that CC will not work at Churchill Downs?

If u dont mind me askn, whats Ed Derosa's 2+2 name? Had no clue he was posting itt.

I think it does. Word is CC would ship into santa anita 3days ahead of time for his races bcos of how washed out he gets from shipping. So if it takes him 3him 3days to recoup from a 30 mile van ride & hes gonna arrive n lousville 5days ahead of raceday & that entails jet lag, 4hrs n the air & 2 van rides. Its enough to reasoning for 1 to play against imo, but its still his race.

chro - what are you doing overseas?

ats - ejxd2 is ed's handle

the other guy josborne hit like 2 pick6's in like 10 days 1 was 100k and the other like 50k i think. man that was crazy. buffalo with the supers.

but its a solid thread these days. fade me and honcho follow ats. easy

Raise a Native sire lines have won
15 of last 30 and 12 of last 20 k-derby.
There are 3 this year.

Ya ATS has it good LOL...

Felt like a dik because I typed before I thought again and glad someone else knew Ed's name here as well. I know a lot know my real name from the TS contest leaderboards but did not consider which was important to me for so long someone's preference maybe to be anon and I apologize for that. I just was making an example of from start to now.

Chroma ya what the heck you doing over that side of the pond? I see your icon and reminds me of how much time I have lost of recent watching some chit I think its called batsu game on Justin. I call it Japanese jackass and its been like crack for my funny bone.

Not sure what to make of CC not working over CD obv prefer myself to see a breeze at least but a trainer knows. I still can not get off ROC as I have been mentioning out of my mind and I thought he made a winning move and improved his last out and plus he has CB I know now on his backside with his record over the last 7 years here. CC is the best horse my eye has saw that is running but my gut still says ROC.

Hearing really good things outa louisville bout ROC Honcho. Exercise rider said "He bout pulled my arms outa socket wanting to go so bad". Dead fit is the word im hearing.... Is his best good enough to win tho??? These are 3yo's, so they can improve over nite, & you've talked me into it Honcho. He's going on all my horrizontals. Fwiw

I'm actually down in Argentina just finishing up some work for the job. Unfortunately not in Buenos Aires, so I haven't been able to scout any future talent.

I used to be big into 7CS when I could actually play online. My avatar is a reference to all the Chinese colluders I used to run into back in the day.

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Ah yes I remember now Chroma because when ATS cried foul at 51 degrees when It was -20 where I was you were still down there and thinking about it I could of easily turned some of my cold anger/envy on you as well

As sharp a cat as I think you are ATS after reading your reply I do not believe you know what fade means

I have not read anything (what a shock) on ROC just going by what my gut tells me and what I saw by my eye in his last 3. Sure as heck not forgetting florida but I am not sure what to make of anything coming from there. I did watch a CB interview over at HRN a few days back saying ROC was a mean hombre.

Curious how many people here itt since DRF went to a basic pay to read format still use them or an equal amount? I am of the opinion that whoever came up with their marketing plan just does not have a clue about the horseplayer or an interest in them period. To have to pay to read words now granted people like PTF over there put some words together that make sense to me but they are no more talented imo that what I read elsewhere to make me want to pay. The horseplayer gets noodled enough at every angle DRF should not be one of them. I have switched to Brisnet a while back and do not even consider going back and I never thought I would say that about DRF for sure.

I now buy my racing forms through equibase, just so I dont have to see "DRF" on my credit card statement each month. DRF has bcome downrite scum imho. Im sure most of you already know this & do it, but Steve Byk's radio show during these two weeks leading up to derby broadcasts live each day from CD. It is by far a must listen everyday!! They analyze each workout made by a derby contender & the people he has on his show usually have good snippets of information that one doesnt find published... Here's a link to his show archives if any1 is interested. You can also listen live each day from 10am-to-1pm by clicking the "listen live" icon on the upper left hand side of his homepage...
http://www.thoroughbredracingradione...ents&Itemid=35

Ya ATS I have been feeling that way awhile now on them but when I checked it out the other day it looked like my spelling test with some much red w/drf+ crap holy cow!

Ok Keeneland race #3 just ran....Indygo FMA is 9/5 fav ...I am almost crying here literally but am screaming EXCHANGE WAGRING...Holy chit no way that price is right 9/5 and I would of laid 2k at 3-1 paid my % and get on with my day. I know this horse from memory and from socal and just no way was 9/5 and I knew it like I knew anything and ran last. This is what I want soooooo damn bad. I do not often see it on a card but this was a spot imo that I really wanted to go against a fav like that and been rewarded and no way I can atm and this sucks. Give me options baby!

Anyone who uses xpressbet. I made some derby future bets but I can not find them anywhere. How can I look at past bets?

I believe my account, statement.

I think there are a lot more people taking notice of ROC everyday. Definitely a grinder. I will most likely be including ROC, Intense Holiday, and Hoppertunity, in my exotics. Actually, even though I get chit for this - Wild Cat Red as well. Obviously CC will be my key horse. Usually I find a short price runner to bet against. Ex: Union Rags, Verrazono. As much I liked the big close in the Wood, I am starting to think Wicked Strong might be that horse this year. Any thoughts?

I use to look at drf.com alot and read the articles and watch the videos. I still watch the Race of the Day analysis. Dan Illman I can take or leave, but imo Mike Beer is a very good handicapper. Everything on the site was free for a long time and it was nice to be able to view it all, but I think it was inevitable for them to start charging . The people shelling out $7 for a racing form are getting screwed that the same info is available free online. Theyre running a buisness and I cant fault them for wanting to charge for their product.

Gowran Park - March 2014

My brother and I took our father to Ireland for his 70th birthday. I made sure we had a day at the track built into the trip and Gowran Park fit our schedule.


Changes board

This track was so in the middle of the country you could drive right past and miss it. There aren't many road signs in Ireland. And anyone who has been there can tell you asking for directions sometime makes things more complicated.


5 euro each way

Pops dropping some coin. At the start of the day he says "why don't we just put our money together and H can do the betting for us?" I said "oh no you don't!" LOL.


Bookie ring

My brother scooped me. I liked a horse in the third race. She had just won her maiden and it was her first try at a handicap. So my brother bets her each way with a rather good looking bookie. I go and bet at the tote each way plus an exacta.

We watched this one from the grandstand. Our horse passed 3 tiring leaders in the final furlong to win! And he got her at better odds than me. Outsmarted by my older brother! That was good for a laugh except for pops who had disappeared trying to smoke a cigar in a 20 mph breeze and had no action.


Better view of bookie ring

Can you guess which was my brother's favorite bookie?


Bring your binoculars!

One race was so long (3 miles 1 furlong) that it was sunny when the race started, the wind kicked up and it rained with some hail for about 2 minutes, then the sun broke back through before the finish!


Uphill run in the stretch

Long uphill run over the hurdles.


Circling for the start

I got to watch this one up close. It was great hearing the starters instructions and hearing the jockeys talk with eachother.


And they're off!


Up and over

This horse dominated the race start to finish.


Tougher the next time around

Still going strong kindly rated by one of the best riders.


Poetry in motion

We did not see a single horse fall the entire race card. Is this a rarity?


Walking ring

It was so cold and windy. The Irish are a tough breed. No gloves anywhere.


Nearby St Marys Church of Gowran

13th Century.

It was a great day at the races. A county fair type experience. And I finished up about 100 euro! I planned this for the last full day of our trip and was able to use the winning in the duty free on the way home. Whiskey anyone?

I am heading to opening night at Churchill Downs Saturday. After giving the Derby much consideration - box seats near the finish line for $20/each seemed a much better deal. Will be partying at home for the Derby this year.

Churchill Downs 4/26

1) 6 / 2 3 7 8
2) 1 2 3 6 7
3) 2 / 1 5 6 / 1 4 5 6
4) 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
5) 8 / 2 5 6
6) 2 4 6 8
7) 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10
8) 1 5 6 8 9
9) 2 3 4 5 7
10) 1 3 4 8 11 12

Any insight appreciated. HHH.

Thanks I found that.

Now I need to find what horse I bet on I had an exacta box on 4,19and a win bet on 23. I assumed I would be able to see the final odds and horses