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06-04-2014 , 11:05 AM
Hi guys, I would like to have a check on these 3bet pots. I have the feeling I play them to weak and need to stab again on the turn. Thoughts appreciated!





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    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27696151

    Hero (BTN): $2.06 (103 bb)
    SB: $1.74 (87 bb)
    BB: $2 (100 bb)
    UTG: $3.36 (168 bb)
    MP: $3.92 (196 bb)
    CO: $1.39 (69.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A A 5
    UTG calls $0.02, MP raises to $0.09, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.24, SB calls $0.23, 2 folds, MP calls $0.15

    Flop: ($0.76) 4 T 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.34, SB folds, MP calls $0.34

    Turn: ($1.44) 2 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero checks

    River: ($1.44) 7 (2 players)
    MP bets $0.68, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.44 pot ($0.05 rake)
    Final Board: 4 T 7 2 7
    Hero mucked K A A 5 and lost (-$0.58 net)
    MP mucked and won $1.39 ($0.81 net)



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      Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27696161

      Hero (BTN): $2.09 (104.5 bb)
      SB: $3.35 (167.5 bb)
      BB: $2 (100 bb)
      UTG: $2.96 (148 bb)
      MP: $3.41 (170.5 bb)
      CO: $1.37 (68.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A A J
      UTG folds, MP raises to $0.07, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, MP calls $0.13

      Flop: ($0.43) J 5 4 (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero bets $0.24, MP calls $0.24

      Turn: ($0.91) Q (2 players)
      MP checks, Hero checks

      River: ($0.91) K (2 players)
      MP bets $0.44, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $0.91 pot ($0.03 rake)
      Final Board: J 5 4 Q K
      Hero mucked K A A J and lost (-$0.44 net)
      MP mucked and won $0.88 ($0.44 net)



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      06-04-2014 , 11:14 AM
      I wonder about the turn bet, do I want to commit here?

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        SB: $2 (100 bb)
        BB: $2.50 (125 bb)
        UTG: $1.79 (89.5 bb)
        MP: $2.17 (108.5 bb)
        CO: $3.54 (177 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $2 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A 8 A
        UTG raises to $0.07, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.18, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.11

        Flop: ($0.39) K 5 2 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $0.24, UTG calls $0.24

        Turn: ($0.87) 6 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $0.54, UTG raises to $1.37 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.83

        River: ($3.61) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $3.61 pot ($0.12 rake)
        Final Board: K 5 2 6 6
        UTG showed 8 Q 7 K and lost (-$1.79 net)
        Hero showed A A 8 A and won $3.49 ($1.70 net)



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        06-04-2014 , 11:30 AM
        Opponent is a loose aggro guy. What do you guys think of my line here? Oop just really sucks lol.

        Do I want to take the c/c line here or like this? What about river?


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          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27696191

          MP: $2.22 (111 bb)
          CO: $3.04 (152 bb)
          BTN: $2.51 (125.5 bb)
          SB: $1.02 (51 bb)
          Hero (BB): $2.17 (108.5 bb)
          UTG: $2.03 (101.5 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 4 K K
          3 folds, BTN raises to $0.06, SB folds, Hero calls $0.04

          Flop: ($0.13) K 8 6 (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

          Turn: ($0.33) A (2 players)
          Hero bets $0.26, BTN calls $0.26

          River: ($0.85) T (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $0.26, Hero folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $0.85 pot ($0.03 rake)
          Final Board: K 8 6 A T
          BTN mucked and won $0.82 ($0.40 net)
          Hero mucked 2 4 K K and lost (-$0.42 net)



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          06-04-2014 , 01:15 PM
          You seem too tight postflop. Bet the turn in hands 1-2 (having picked additional outs, which is nice when you have an overpair and should incline you towards barrelling, especially on lightish textures like this, i.e. not hitting opponents' ranges that hard) and call the river in hands 1 and 4 - recreationals tend to overvalue their hands grossly, and you'll be seeing non-nuts more often than not; the river fold in hand 2 looks fine despite the opponent's sizing - the overpair is just too weak when s/he can have all sorts of two-pair; the third one is wp postflop, however, I'd just call pre and pray to hit a flushdraw or an unlikely set or enjoy a really dry board texture that would allow me to call him down hoping to see bare KK enough times; vs a player who's known to be overly aggressive or overplay KK pre, I'd 3-bet hoping to be 4-bet into and get it in pre.

          I'm a fish, though, let's wait for GGaRJ to give his advice.

          Last edited by coon74; 06-04-2014 at 01:20 PM.
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          06-04-2014 , 01:56 PM
          3bet pots: pot/call all turns, ainec. Call rivers in first two as played. You're WAY too paranoid about running into the top of his range, and also underestimate your equity vs combos like 2pair.

          Last hand: c/r flop if he's aggro. river looks like a fold since evrything got there, but maybe you can still call like c00n said, lol
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          06-04-2014 , 02:54 PM
          Oh pardon, I somehow misread hand 4 and though Hero was the preflop aggressor. As is, of course c/r the flop, not only vs an aggro, but vs a reg (who would often cbet on this texture) too. Thanks for the entire writeup, GGaRJ!
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          06-04-2014 , 05:11 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob
          3bet pots: pot/call all turns, ainec. Call rivers in first two as played. You're WAY too paranoid about running into the top of his range, and also underestimate your equity vs combos like 2pair.

          Last hand: c/r flop if he's aggro. river looks like a fold since evrything got there, but maybe you can still call like c00n said, lol
          thnx for the comments guys.

          Why do I want to pot here on the turns? Isn't this unbalancing my sizes too much? I mean I would never do this with a bluff, I would do this obv to commit myself. Plus I bet usually bet around 2/3 of the pot so I get called by worse more frequently.

          What's ainec btw?
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          06-04-2014 , 05:31 PM
          Ainec = and it's not even close. (A general tip: if you meet an unknown abbreviation on a forum, start by looking it up in the Urban Dictionary; if it's poker-related, then the 2+2 list of abbreviations can help.)

          Don't think much about balance and valuebet sizes at PLO2. The recreationals there are willing to call a potsize bet (or a 80-90% pot bet if they're too suspicious about the pot one) if they like their hand (which they do way too often) even when the line or sizing wouldn't make sense to a reg.

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          06-04-2014 , 05:48 PM
          SPR is too low to worry about balance. Villain makes his assumptions about your range and goes with them, so should you. Your range at this point includes monsters, one pair hands that are often in the lead, and semibluffs. All of the above are fine with potting to call off with this much in the middle. Whether the purpose is to maximize value, protect against draws, or get fold equity for your own draws, one size fits all. If you have a complete airball, it's prob wise to just checkback and give up, but that's a tiny portion of your range unless you're a crack-head LAG.

          For single-raised pots where you can have a ton of bluffs in your range, you want action from weak draws, and wanna induce spazzes, etc., betting 50-90% depending on texture makes more sense obviously. It's important to make the distinction between different SPRs and how they need to be played.

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          I remember wondering the same thing a few years ago. Only learned "yolo!" was an abbreviation a few months back!

          EDIT: c00n beat me to it, I shouldn't start typing the reply and then do ten other things before I finish, lol. He also made a good point about not worrying about balance at micros.
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          06-05-2014 , 02:48 PM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

          I use bigger sizings due to the antes, potting from UTG/HJ and 3xing from CO/BTN are pretty optimal imo. If eff stacks are 250bb+ you could make a case for potting everywhere.
          Are you potting everywhere 250bb+ in non ante games?
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          06-05-2014 , 06:28 PM
          no, but I could def be convinced to do so. no antes means potting is also for a lower amount, hehe.
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          06-05-2014 , 07:19 PM
          At a non-ante table, the pot after hypothetical openlimping would become 2.5 bb, so a 2.5x openraise is by (2.5-1)/2.5=60% of the pot.

          At a full 6-max ante table, the pot after openlimping would be 3.7 bb, so a 3x open is by 2/3.7~54% of the pot (or 2/3.5~57% in a 5-player hand). So the two mentioned open sizings pretty match.
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          06-06-2014 , 10:17 AM
          Cheers guys
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          06-06-2014 , 01:04 PM
          Hey guys, so I played this hands and I'm not sure about my action on the flop after I get raised. I figured that I played it correctly since this is really the top of his range and I'm doing pretty decent against his whole range. But still I feel that I don't want to get it in with around 35% equity most of the time. So what to do?



            Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27779081

            BTN: $1.21 (60.5 bb)
            SB: $1.51 (75.5 bb)
            BB: $1.95 (97.5 bb)
            Hero (MP): $2 (100 bb)
            CO: $3.47 (173.5 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP with J A T K
            Hero raises to $0.06, CO calls $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

            Flop: ($0.21) 6 Q 8 (3 players)
            Hero bets $0.14, CO raises to $0.62, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.94 and is all-in, CO calls $1.32

            Turn: ($4.09) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
            River: ($4.09) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)

            Spoiler:
            Results: $4.09 pot ($0.13 rake)
            Final Board: 6 Q 8 4 J
            BTN mucked and lost (-$0.06 net)
            Hero showed J A T K and won $3.96 ($1.96 net)
            CO showed Q Q J T and lost (-$2.00 net)



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            06-06-2014 , 01:07 PM
            The following hand is kind of similar as the previous one I guess. Do I want to cbet here always and get it in? I mean once I get c/r on the flop I figure to be behind most of the time and need to catch up. Is that alright or can I play these situation differently?

            Thnx in advance for any comments!


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              Hero (BTN): $2 (100 bb)
              SB: $0.68 (34 bb)
              BB: $2 (100 bb)
              MP: $2 (100 bb)
              CO: $4.33 (216.5 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A 9 A
              MP folds, CO raises to $0.04, Hero raises to $0.14, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10

              Flop: ($0.31) 6 8 7 (2 players)
              CO checks, Hero bets $0.18, CO raises to $0.84, Hero raises to $1.86 and is all-in, CO calls $1.02

              Turn: ($4.03) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
              River: ($4.03) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

              Spoiler:
              Results: $4.03 pot ($0.13 rake)
              Final Board: 6 8 7 3 5
              Hero showed K A 9 A and won $3.90 ($1.90 net)
              CO showed T 6 T 7 and lost (-$2 net)



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              06-06-2014 , 01:10 PM
              One more hand :P,

              If I decide to play this hand preflop and call his 3bet, do I always stack off here once I flop an over + FD? Maybe I shouldn't call this hand pre since it flops pretty poorly I guess.

              Comments and thoughts are appreciated!


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                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27779131

                Hero (BTN): $2.53 (126.5 bb)
                SB: $1.81 (90.5 bb)
                BB: $0.78 (39 bb)
                CO: $1.02 (51 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is BTN with 4 9 K K
                CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.14

                Flop: ($0.44) 6 Q J (2 players)
                SB bets $0.30, Hero folds

                Spoiler:
                Results: $0.44 pot ($0.01 rake)
                Final Board: 6 Q J
                Hero mucked 4 9 K K and lost (-$0.20 net)
                SB mucked and won $0.43 ($0.23 net)



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                06-06-2014 , 01:19 PM
                Hand 1: you should peel the flop, you have no pair and clearly no fold equity. Everytime you turn a pair you also turn a wrap.

                Hand 2: bet/shove is just fine with this SPR, ur equity vs villain's hand here is strong, and even stronger vs gutter+FD type hands. Double the stacks and checking back for balance /pot control starts looking good.

                EDIT: you posted 3rd hand in between, lol. Unless villain 3bets only AA, you should 4bet/call off. Flop is a snap-jam
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                06-07-2014 , 09:07 AM
                Thnx GGaRJ, it seems I'm still a postflop sissy :P
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                06-07-2014 , 10:14 AM
                I'd feel kinda dirty folding this, but 5 way+OOP+high SPR, and 3 nut outs.....

                €0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players

                CO: 96.5 BB (VPIP: 51.06, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 2.15, Hands: 235)
                BTN: 439.5 BB (VPIP: 76.47, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 17)
                SB: 101.1 BB (VPIP: 20.51, PFR: 6.84, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 118)
                Hero (BB): 113.7 BB
                UTG: 108.9 BB (VPIP: 64.71, PFR: 5.88, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
                MP: 107.3 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)

                SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

                Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 Q 9 9

                UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, CO calls 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

                Flop: (10 BB, 5 players) J 2 T
                SB checks, Hero checks, UTG bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB, fold, SB calls 10 BB, Hero
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                06-08-2014 , 04:44 AM
                2/2 Live:

                1) Aggro bigstack ($3000) c-bet the flop and got check raised pot by UTG for $500 more. He called with a gut shot and 2 non-nut backdoor flush draws.

                That's like 6 outs (4 for the gutshot and 1 each for the backdoors)?

                2) Turn was a blank.
                utg went all in for $500 more. bigstack was now getting 4:1 to call ($500 to win $2000) and called even tho he needed 12:1 for a gutshot.
                he rivered his 4outer and won.

                I thought a better line for UTG would either be:
                a) check raise smaller on the flop, and go all in for pot on any turn?
                or
                b) c/c flop and c/r all in on safe turn since it's highly likely bigstack was going to fire again?

                Last edited by AA Suited; 06-08-2014 at 04:50 AM.
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                06-08-2014 , 07:05 AM
                Am I asking for trouble with this 3bet? MP is a reg raising 24% from that position, both flat callers are fish. If we just flat this, what's my cutoff AA hand for 3betting (approximately?)

                Postflop I might lay down against a passive fish, but MP is a capable reg and SPR is just 2.

                PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
                Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

                MP: 121.02 BB (VPIP: 27.63, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 6.36, Hands: 2,561)
                CO: 220.28 BB (VPIP: 73.47, PFR: 19.39, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 100)
                BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 36.55, PFR: 16.93, 3Bet Preflop: 1.76, Hands: 1,523)
                Hero (SB): 146.28 BB
                BB: 116.16 BB (VPIP: 21.25, PFR: 15.82, 3Bet Preflop: 7.09, Hands: 4,019)
                UTG: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 25.21, PFR: 16.80, 3Bet Preflop: 10.84, Hands: 730)

                Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

                Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A A 7

                fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 16 BB, fold, MP calls 13 BB, fold, BTN calls 13 BB

                Flop: (52 BB, 3 players) 4 5 4
                Hero bets 25 BB, MP raises to 56 BB, fold, Hero raises to 130.28 BB and is all-in, MP calls 49.02 BB and is all-in
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                06-08-2014 , 03:26 PM
                My Pokertracker trial will end soon, what software should I buy? OM2 small stakes version is $60, are there any better alternatives?
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                06-08-2014 , 04:47 PM
                @bollo: def fold
                @AAsuited: there's no excuse for chasing gutshots unless you're getting an extremely good price. The backdoors don't really change that.
                @Ph33rox: I much prefer a flat pre as the you don't wanna go to the flop vs 2+ ranges with a hand that'll be a naked overpairs most of the time. Change the 7 into a T and I think it's strong enough to squeeze
                @ogwi: haven't used PT in years, unfortunately. HEM2 can be a lot to deal with for your PC if it's not up to date though
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                06-08-2014 , 11:44 PM
                $25NL PLO on Bovada:
                1) What do you think of Leakbuster PLO?
                2) Who owns LEakbuster?
                Both holdem manager and Ace poker software (bovada Hand history converter company) both sell it.

                3) I guess if I'm using leakbuster plo, then holdem manager is the tracker to use to see my own stats?
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                06-09-2014 , 08:50 AM
                Leakbuster is an app for HEM, yea. It can def be useful, but you need to take some of the grades with a grain of salt as they're based on averages for biggest winners on any given stake.
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