I usually limp/fold when I have 3 broadways.

New to PLO. I keep running into this spot on a reg basis, and i am trying to establish whether i am spewing off money when i dont have to, or is this a standard PLO type hand in which you unfortunately cant get away from?


HAND 1


Pre - disagree with open?

Flop - call or raise his donk?

Turn - this is why you dont slow play in PLO???

River - a hand we cant get away from? unless anyone disagrees?



Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $11.32
SB: $5.00
BB: $5.00
UTG: $9.40
Hero (CO): $5.00

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is CO with 6 7 Q 5
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, BTN calls $0.15, SB calls $0.13, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.60) K 5 8 (4 players)
SB bets $0.58, BB folds, Hero calls $0.58, BTN folds

Turn: ($1.76) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $1.10, Hero calls $1.10

River: ($3.96) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $3.17 all in, Hero calls $3.17 all in







Hand 2

Pre - calling his min 3bet with a speculative KKxxss into a MW pot ok? Would anyone 4bet in this spot?

Flop - anyone dislike the c/r?

Turn - bet or c/c here?

River - i take it no one would fold to the c/r given the small extra to call? What if the c/r was a pot sized bet? Can anyone see a worse hand c/r? Should i be folding in this spot if the raise was bigger?




Full Tilt Poker - Omaha Cash Games - $0.02/0.05 Blinds - 6 Players
Hand Converter by Pokerhand.org

UTG: $10.26
UTG+1: $5.75
CO: $2.63
BTN: $8.29
SB: $8.44
BB: $6.83

Pre-flop: Dealt to UTG 8 2 K K
UTG raises to $.15, (1 folds), CO raises to $.25, BTN calls $.25, (2 folds), UTG calls $.10

Flop: ($.82) J 6 Q (3 Players)
UTG checks, CO bets $.10, (1 folds), UTG raises to $.45, CO calls $.35

Turn: ($1.72) J (2 Players)
UTG checks, CO checks

River: ($1.72) A (2 Players)
UTG bets $1, CO raises to $1.93 and is all-in, UTG calls $.93
CO Showed A 4 A 5
UTG Mucks 8 2 K K
CO wins $5.31 with a full house, Aces full of Jacks

Hand 1:
pre: good
flop: good (open ended. I will peel off another street.)
turn: bad. you have the nuts. PUSH! it saves you from difficult decisions like on the river.
Why did you just call?!

Hand 2:
pre: whats your read on CO? What does his min raise mean? if no reads, then I would 4bet to isolate and push on any flop because CO is so short. if he has AAxx, then so be it.
now if he has more $ then I would just call

flop: I would c/r pot. his weak bet tells me he's trying to draw for cheap. if he has A then so be it. again, since he's so short, it wont hurt that much.

turn: BET! if he had a set on the flop, he wouldn't bet so little and allow draws to get there cheap. (unless he had a monster hand like TQQA. and if he does, then so be it. you don't run into monster hands while holding 2nd nuts often.)

Villains:
Tiny samples:
CO (5 Hands): Loose Passive (V:60 P:0 3B:0)
MP (9 Hands): (V:33 PFR:33 3b:100)

Pre: Limp?
Flop: Lead this more?

yea, limping pre looks ok with the LAGtard on ur left

flop is also fine, you're not gonna have a ton of fold equity from overpairs or Q+kickers type hands

Muchos gracias job!

Hi, can anyone recommend a book about PLO for an absolute beginner? Or any strategy videos, forum posts etc...basically I'm totally new and have no idea where to even begin. Are there any quick tips that can get someone started on the path to being a winning player?

My background...I'm a 10nl holdem player, who's been playing 10nl for a while (90k hands, 11bb/100 winrate, so I am almost certainly a solid winner there). Right now I'm looking to try something new...the 10nl grind gets a bit stale after a while.

Any ideas where to even begin? What sort of BRM do I need? If needbe I can grind up the necessary buyins for a decent bankroll in no limit holdem since I can pretty much print money at 10nl.

A fear I've got is some say PLO micros is unbeatable due to rake. Is that true? For instance if I started at the lowest stakes (2nl? 5nl?) does rake make it impossible to win so I need to be starting from 50nl or something? In which case it might take a while to grind up a roll, lol. And I obviously expect to be a losing player when I first start out, and losing $50 a time is gonna hurt...

But then again I've seen the same 'micros rake is unbeatable' said about NLH to and that's clearly nonsense, so I'm not sure what to believe.

For reading material, I'd recommend the beginner's digest in the sticky here. The Donkr articles here: http://en.donkr.com/Articles/Categor...om-scratch!-14

For training vids, DC has a lot of good series for complete beginners. RIO essential is also good for more up to date content and watching gameplay more.

BRM is 50 BI minimum in general, even at the micros. 100+ at smallstakes+

And yes, microstakes PLO is beatable even though rake is really high.

OK, thanks. Going to start at 2plo and try and grind it up. Will get together $200 from 10nl over the next few weeks (variance permitting) and see how it goes.

Not really too much idea what I'm doing apart from reading a couple of those articles so I guess I'll be posting some shockingly played hands for review here soon.

I've found the PLO videos on RunItOnce to be very good for only $10 a month for the essential membership.

Micro PLO is definitely beatable, but yes the rake is bad. Regardless, you need to work on your fundamentals in the micros. The skills you learn will be more valuable than a few bucks you make grinding.

BTW prepare for some sick variance. If you are a NLHE player and prone to tilt, beware your top set will get called to river and they will hit their 4 hi backdoor flush draw. The suckouts will seem puke-worthy if you are not used to them. I've only played up to PLO50 and it happens there too. You will get backdoor quaded by some donk with bottom pair for your stack every once in awhile. As much as I love PLO, it can be very tilting if you are not prepared for the variance.

Most important, keep your BRM insanely conservative so when you get sucked out on 3 times in a row it doesn't matter. If you have 10 buyins, that will tilt you. If you have 100, it really shouldn't.

I'm prone to tilt in the sense that after a bad downswing I'll just not play for 2 weeks. I don't punt off stacks though. I'm much better at lower limits though with regard to downswings - losing 10 buyins or whatever at 2plo wouldn't be an issue, especially since I expect to be a losing player at the start anyway.

So let's say I grind up $200 at 10nl, and make that my PLO roll to start playing 2nl with. Where's the best places to play? If the rake is so high should I hit up an Ipoker room for a rakeback deal? Or Stars still OK? IPoker on NLH is pretty much filled with bots and grinders because of the rakeback - is it the same for PLO?

I've had a look at 888's poker room for Omaha but it doesn't seem like there's much traffic, and there's no rakeback.

I can't say as I am a U.S. player so I only play on Bovada.

Rakeback would definitely be crucial for a plo player, especially micro.

You don't have to be too conservative at PLO2 but it would be smart to start with 100 buyins. I doubt you will have trouble beating those games with a few buyins but I can't say for sure.

What is a standard win rate for the average winning player at PLO50 and PLO100 on Bovada?

What are the best videos to watch for new/intermediate PLO players? Best site to signup for overall?

Can anyone recommend a good RIO series/Videos/coach for a NLHE player transitioning to PLO ? Thanks

Tom Coldwell on RIO has some good vids for new/intermediate/transitioning players.
On CardRunners ElRazor has a really good 5 part series for microstakes players.


Hope this helps. GL

Thank you

Ok I realise how spewy my river non shove turn/ river fold was... it was towards to end of a very long but decent session.
My question is which line is best here?

Pre am I 4b and playing my hand face(ish) up?
When I 3b and the hand plays out what is the best line from the turn? Just get it in there or call/call turn and river?

Any and all feedback welcomed.



Also is this the best place to post HHs?

Haha, I don't think I can fold turn/river w/o very good reads. Players at these stakes go for all kinds of weird slowplays and overplay stuff like lower sets/top2

Played fine until the river fold

It's fine to post HHs ITT until you feel comfortable enough to create your own threads

Thanks! 100% terrible fold river lol. Long session, tired and convinced myself he had straight.

Cool, I'll create new threads then.

0.10/0.25 short stack tables on full tilt (not much traffic on full tilt last night at all, would prefer 100bb or deep tables)

Still haven't got OM2 so no stats, sorry guys.

MP seems to be playing solid but only 1 table, BB is multitabling REG (stacks from memory but you get the idea)

BTN: $10
SB: $10
BB: $10
Hero (UTG): $42.11
MP: $39.28
CO: $10

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A A 2 J
Hero raises to $0.85, MP calls $0.85, 3 folds, BB raises to $3.25, Hero?

If I 4bet my hand becomes face up so if MP calls he has easy decisions in position, we can't get enough of our stack in pre to shove majority of flops?

In game I thought this was a nice spot to call pre and disguise our hand but we're still in tricky spots post on most flops?

(Sorry if this is simple raise GII spot )

Reraise here... It's very likely bb is stacking and even if mp comes along the pot is $30 on the flop (or an effective spr of 1) so it makes it easy to play the flop

(Even if your hand your hand is face up)

OK thanks Cheekz, we're not deep enough to worry about it then!

What's the pros and cons for zoom vs normal tables for plo? What are the player groups like for both?

Hello

What is supernova worth in terms of rb% on stars?

How many hands would I have to play to get there playing 50/50 plo 50 and 100

Thx