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I don't think there is one. Run It Once has a $10 subscription that allows you to see a part of their vids, I really enjoyed Galfonds PLO videos. He does his best to try to explain for noobs. I've also liked Deuces Cracked, but most of the PLO videos are quite old.

Thanks. I will give that a try over xmas vacation. $10 is a pretty low risk trial.

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12-04-2014 , 12:02 AM

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Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by bm303

A few questions:

What's a standard play with AAAx hands in early position? Say something like A

? Limp with the intention of potting any preflop raise, and otherwise folding any bad flop?

Don't limp-reraise anything unless you are short-stacked and can get a healthy portion of stacks in preflop.

The literature on trips is scant, but after running a bunch of queries, I would liken AAA4s to AA72r and AAA4r to KK72r*, slightly weaker in both cases. At loose-passive tables, the gap between KK72r and AAA4r widens. A lot of AAA4r's value is tied to 3-bet immunity and being a Swiss Army knife of blocker value, both of which are less relevant against passive stations. This is part of why KKKx isn't even in the same league as AAAx, regardless of the table conditions.

*PPT's rank function rates AAA4r a lot more highly, but situationally it's wrong.

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12-05-2014 , 06:44 PM

#2754

s0ulcrusHer

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I know it's hard to define exactly hand ranges in omaha but I'd like to know on large samples of hands on my opponents what some 3bet % means and the related ranges even if not really specific. I heard somewhere than whole AAxx are the 2.5%. What 3/5/8 % stands for if we consider a non-polarized 3betting range?

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12-05-2014 , 10:26 PM

#2755

Fanch

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In Your alls opinion, which is most profitable for time invested? Nlhe mtts and sngs, Plo8 mtts/sngs, or Plo 6 max rings??

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12-06-2014 , 12:22 AM

#2756

bm303

old hand

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My first week of PLO25 results are in. I ran -$300 EV, gave $80 of rake and finished down about $50ish. Pretty sick. I love the game but I am not sure I can handle the variance at this point. Losing $80 pots to rivered quads and backdoor flushes like crazy. I could easily see $1k downswings at 25PLO the way I am running right now. I now get why you all suggest 100 buyins for these games..

The good news is that in the top 20 pots I played this week I got my money in as a favorite in all but 3.

Planning to stick with 10PLO for awhile before moving up again. Might switch back to Hold'Em too if the run bad continues.

Last edited by bm303; 12-06-2014 at 12:52 AM.

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12-06-2014 , 06:32 AM

#2757

evgrinder

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Originally Posted by s0ulcrusHer

Doing some number crunching on PPT or odds oracle should answer that question. If they 3b all AAxx then its 2.5% but in reality people aren't betting every AAxx combo.

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12-06-2014 , 10:07 AM

#2758

GoGetaRealJob

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Originally Posted by Fanch

In Your alls opinion, which is most profitable for time invested? Nlhe mtts and sngs, Plo8 mtts/sngs, or Plo 6 max rings??

This is the wrong place for unbiased opinions, lol

Regular MTTs are pretty soft, I hear, but so is PLO cash

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12-06-2014 , 07:21 PM

#2759

evgrinder

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PPT seems to rank hands like QQJ3ds in the same category as KQJTds and AKQ3ds (top 5%). So does it make sense to follow PPT's rank function 'blindly' to construct a 3-betting range or should we exercise some caution when looking at the rank function?

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12-06-2014 , 10:39 PM

#2760

MakinItKane9

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Hey there,

What training websites and books that would help my 6 max game and HU PLO game? Any suggestions would be helpful.

Thanks!

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12-07-2014 , 12:58 AM

#2761

GoGetaRealJob

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@evgrinder lots of AA/KK/AKQxss type combos that rank well but don't play well in 3bet pots. Double-suited QQxx is pretty strong in HU 3bet pots 100bb deep, but KK72r not so much

@Makin: Check out the Grand Digest sticky for some external resources

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12-07-2014 , 09:05 AM

#2762

evgrinder

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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob

@evgrinder lots of AA/KK/AKQxss type combos that rank well but don't play well in 3bet pots. Double-suited QQxx is pretty strong in HU 3bet pots 100bb deep, but KK72r not so much

@Makin: Check out the Grand Digest sticky for some external resources

Cool, so just to check for blinds vs BTN situations - we can expand our 3b range by first including ds versions of AA/KK/AKQx/QQxx? And the single suited version can be included in our flatting range?

If so how much do the side cards of ds version of these hands kill our potential for 3-betting blinds vs BTN? We ofc prefer AAJTds to AA73ds, but I imagine it's still fine to 3b AA73ds vs most BTNs and COs 100bb? Thanks!

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12-07-2014 , 09:16 AM

#2763

Rei Ayanami

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AA73 double-suited is a top 0.5% hand in every sense. Anomalous conditions need to be present before flatting becomes an option, from any positions, at any stack depth.

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Originally Posted by evgrinder

PokerJuice has some decent prefabricated ranges. They aren't perfect, but PPT is worse. Look at the double-digit OOP ranges.

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12-07-2014 , 12:29 PM

#2764

evgrinder

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

AA73 double-suited is a top 0.5% hand in every sense. Anomalous conditions need to be present before flatting becomes an option, from any positions, at any stack depth.

PokerJuice has some decent prefabricated ranges. They aren't perfect, but PPT is worse. Look at the double-digit OOP ranges.

Never seen that page before on PokerJuice and it's so epic, that link helps me more when you know!! Thanks dude

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12-08-2014 , 02:20 AM

#2765

this_passing

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Originally Posted by MakinItKane9

Hey there,

What training websites and books that would help my 6 max game and HU PLO game? Any suggestions would be helpful.

Thanks!

cardquant.com and omahawizard.com are the ones that i read regularly

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12-09-2014 , 05:42 AM

#2766

Badabadam

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Anyone know PLO backers/stables? Marketplace seem to be mainly for nl holdem/tourneys.

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12-09-2014 , 09:19 AM

#2767

GoGetaRealJob

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Stay patient, has to be done through marketplace

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12-11-2014 , 07:03 PM

#2768

alexru

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Hello, I like poker online and want to say hi to u all

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12-11-2014 , 10:50 PM

#2769

GoGetaRealJob

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Welcome to the forum!

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12-12-2014 , 02:07 PM

#2770

Benni19

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How on earth am i beating the micros till plo100 with + 5bb?

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12-12-2014 , 06:42 PM

#2771

Jabonator

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As you are making that question in this thread, expecting a solution, the answer is:

Spoiler:

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12-13-2014 , 02:32 AM

#2772

bm303

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What is the standard play for flopping top set with AA on a two flush flop? I am always scared to check and have it check around and a flush complete on the turn. On the other hand, I think you give up a ton of value by potting the flop when you strongly rep AA from your preflop pot sized bet. Also, if the turn/river pairs of course you now can stack other boats.

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12-13-2014 , 03:01 PM

#2773

GoGetaRealJob

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sorry, but you need to narrow it down, way too many variables

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12-13-2014 , 03:13 PM

#2774

Benni19

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Originally Posted by Jabonator

As you are making that question in this thread, expecting a solution, the answer is:

Spoiler:

I have tried this for years. I spend more than 10 k what is a huge sum for me.
Consider how low life i am or living. Thats basicly 50 % of my income from last 3 years.

I tried to pump myself up with theory and play.
Tried to play as many hands i could. (got allmost 200k )
Was allmost break even in this stretch but i run way above ev.
Lost everything playing higher with 10 bi.

Games seems to be just nittish ..