Yeah, they are v soft and even many regs play very spewy and bring themselves down to fish level often. Swongs can be brutal sometimes obv.

Like i said i played some of those during xmas (on my phone) and was good enough to win a chunk... But i am not super comfident in my game > 300bb deep. Or lest say i rather start new tables to lower variance

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Hi $0.05 Ante - 6 players
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SB: $160.19
BB: $57.86
Hero (UTG): $105.80
MP: $50.00
CO: $62.50
BTN: $152.79

Pre Flop: ($0.65) Hero is UTG with 8 8 A 7
Hero raises to $1.15, 1 fold, CO raises to $4.10, 1 fold, SB calls $4, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.95

Flop: ($12.85) K 5 2 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($12.85) Q (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9.80, CO calls $9.80, SB calls $9.80

River: ($42.25) 8 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13, CO folds, SB raises to $79.45, Hero calls $66.45

Final Pot: $201.15
SB shows A T J Q (a pair of Queens)
Hero shows 8 8 A 7 (three of a kind, Eights)
Hero wins $199.15
(Rake: $2.00)

urubu111 on my $0.02/$0.05 table

lol, played my shortest ever live session last night. Just 1/2 PLO, softest table in weeks and I last....5 hands because I only brought 400bb and lost it getting it in w/top set twice otf.

Live PLO is ridiculous. You can have an astronomical winrate and get crushed for a decade straight playing full time, simply due to the low amount of hands you get to put in. You're also (due to this) forced to take lower variance lines that aren't the most +EV. Examples would be not jamming it in with top set on yucky board simply to avoid the flips.

^dont agree with this one bit.

I've been playing deep 2/5 home games for the past year and am doing quite well and don't take lower variance lines, but obv in home games we can run it however many times we want etc. Games go all night and then some.

Just sucks the one time I only bring two bullets I have hands where I have to get it in, can only run it once and get outdrawn both times super quickly. Walk of shame after 20 minutes is not something I've ever done before. At the casino I'm prob down ~$3k in AI ev at 1/2 PLO in PLO, but lol home games keep me afloat and breakeven this month.

That's all cool cuz I'm pretty used to being wrong, but you could at least explain why I'm wrong

Games are really really soft, and a large % of the player pool, esp at lower stakes, plays poorly in a way that is very passive and predictable. These factors plus full-ring 9-10 people tables lead to a relatively low variance form of plo on per hand basis w/ huge edges available by just playing straightforward, solid poker.

With an "astronomical winrate" you could easily get crushed over a 10 day period due to the variance. But if you put in enough volume and don't tilt, you'd have to really be in an insane death spiral of bad luck to lose $ over 10 months, and no way you could lose over 10yr period.

Also, there might be times in live plo where it's smart to turn down a bit of short term ev to either reduce variance or future stack size/game dynamic considerations, but choosing not to jam top set (the nuts) cause the board is draw-heavy is not one of them.

That post is entirely correct I keep wanting to add to it but really can't. Obviously the beat in my story isn't the $ amount, but having to leave the casino after only 20 minutes.

What CW said.

Everything here is correct but I would actually go a lot further with the past paragraph.

Live you can often take decisions which reduce your variance AND increase your ev at the same time.

I think the (good) aggressive players at a live PLO game make the most money. The games are often full of nit grinders, passive fish and people who just have no understanding of pot odds and fold their draws due to the amount of £ instead of %.

There is a discussion in hsplobbv thread about how many players who play for a living there are in the world.
Many suggesting the figure is only in 4 figures (towards low 4 figure), I don't believe that is true.
I think in EU alone there are as many "pros" as some of them suggest are in the world.
But maybe they just don't consider us small time grinders as pros, I for example haven't worked in about three years and the highest I have played online is NL200 back when I played NL full ring and in PLO $0.50/$1+low to midstakes tourneys and I have no other income. I think there are thousands like me in EU, the figure in my country alone (estonia) is probably few hundred (from my personal fb alone I can crab like 40 ppl) and we are a country of only 1.3M people.
(Ofc the show where they suggested the number being 640k sounds ridicilous too (from where the discussion started))

elaborate on how this is possible?

start to play rivers in position compared to shove it in blindly otf, for example

Yep exactly.

There are players that play so face up you can basically avoid the 60/40s and take the 100/0s (tho obviously its easy to be overconfident here).

In PLO a lot of the time you are on the 100 side of 100/0s you have 0 extra value to extract.

must be nice for villain flopping the nuts with redraw and being a 22/78 underdog

funky preflop spot given stacks, hehe. If he had 3 bucks more I wudda minraised pre

nh, so sick you got drawn out on for the main pot. But I guess at least you were able to fade NOT ONE BUT TWO quad draws to avoid losing sidepot

indeed... sick sweat!

so much thoughts going on in that hand... BTN spot is super interesting, I would feel very bad stacking here. Michael Jackson bad.

all those draws and no raise preflop.... this is some high level ambushing.

I know this isn't nosebleeds btw, even though it would be for me right now until i start new job, but you did say about stakes in this thread...

Nice little ~100 hand, ~1hr single table session..

started with $25 and walked with $130.

Merge - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players

BTN: $48.44
SB: $69.55
Hero (BB): $25.59
UTG: $64.58
CO: $49.75

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 4 K J A

UTG calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2.50, UTG calls $2.00, CO calls $2.00, SB calls $2.00

Flop: ($10.00, 4 players) J 5 T
SB checks, Hero bets $10.00, UTG calls $10.00, fold, fold

Turn: ($30.00, 2 players) T
Hero bets $13.09 and is all-in, UTG calls $13.09

River: ($56.18, 2 players) 2

Hero shows 4 K J A (Flush, Ace High)

UTG shows 9 9 8 T (Flush, Jack High)

Hero wins $53.06

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Merge - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players

BB: $55.59
UTG: $73.86
CO: $169.12
Hero (BTN): $73.58
SB: $118.80

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 9 3 8 4

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.50, 3 players) 2 5 A
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.25, SB calls $3.25, fold

Turn: ($11.00, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero bets $9.50, SB raises to $39.50, Hero raises to $68.83 and is all-in, SB calls $29.33

River: ($148.66, 2 players) 6

Hero shows 9 3 8 4 (Straight, Six High)

SB shows T A A 2 (Three of a Kind, Aces)

Hero wins $144.66