EDIT: it hid results, both had AA76 Q_Q

how much did you lose?

u havin urself a giggle?

Poker Player Snapshot – Viktor Luis Larsson – His goal? “Being sickly good at this game.”

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $15.24 (VPIP: 42.21, PFR: 2.60, 3Bet Preflop: 1.95, Hands: 312)
MP: $12.57 (VPIP: 24.65, PFR: 14.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 1,953)
CO: $26.32 (VPIP: 62.07, PFR: 24.14, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 30)
Hero (BTN): $16.78
SB: $6.01 (VPIP: 81.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)
BB: $22.28 (VPIP: 25.44, PFR: 15.30, 3Bet Preflop: 4.61, Hands: 569)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has J 9 8 7

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20, SB calls $1.15, BB calls $1.10, CO calls $0.85

Flop: ($4.80, 4 players) 4 Q T
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets $4.60, Hero raises to $15.58 and is all-in, fold, fold, CO calls $10.98

Turn: ($35.96, 2 players) Q

River: ($35.96, 2 players) Q

CO shows 9 8 K K (Full House, Queens full of Kings)
(Pre 65%, Flop 48%, Turn 75%)
Hero shows J 9 8 7 (Three of a Kind, Queens)
(Pre 35%, Flop 52%, Turn 25%)
CO wins $34.46

Afterwards the guy said. "You had nothing my friend."

.........................

he was just trying to get under your skin, lol

he had a high pair while you had jack high. you didnt really expect to win, did you?

I honestly think he was being serious, but with this guy I didn't really mind him taking shots, as long as he didn't leave.

GG "The Squid" ARJ

Respect for GGaRJ for publishing a graph of being massively over the EV! (He's still made much more in RB than I think I'll ever make in combined winnings; and of course his results would be much better if the HS downswings hadn't happened.)

What puzzles me is that a big part of Minsk live PLO regs drink alcohol before winning, i.e. their autopilot is so good that they play quite solid even when they're tipsy, tilted and swearing in their every other phrase. One of them threw a huge tantrum in my presence that, as his friends said, was his biggest brawl in the past 4 years; but he didn't become aggressive at betting at all, just played the weak-tight ABC game throughout.

I'm glad about Viktor's work ethic being featured and second his words about Tyler and the request to take his PPS.

I have a feeling the guy who won this pot vs. me posts in or at least frequents this forum... If this was you state your name.

PokerStars - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $25.21 (VPIP: 34.54, PFR: 24.40, 3Bet Preflop: 12.30, Hands: 3,579)
Hero (BB): $14.13

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 7 7 9 T

SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 8 2 7
Hero checks, SB bets $0.57, Hero raises to $2.28, SB raises to $7.41, Hero raises to $13.83 and is all-in, SB calls $6.42

Turn: ($28.26, 2 players) Q

River: ($28.26, 2 players) Q

Hero shows 7 7 9 T (Full House, Sevens full of Queens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 88%, Turn 90%)
SB shows 8 7 Q T (Full House, Queens full of Eights)
(Pre 54%, Flop 12%, Turn 10%)
SB wins $27.76

today i played holdem

^this is exactly $6 more than I've won in holdem cash games in the last couple of years. grats!

hehe, at least he opened, would have made for a cooler gif if i got a walk though
very first hand too

hopefully the last day plo5, just hoping i keep playing like that at plo10 and further. ended it with a 22bi day



35.5bb/100 if anyone is interested.

The heater is real glgl

I never play tournies because they suck, they take too long, i hate hold em, and PLO ones are rare and small.

Bored yesterday grinding 50PLO on WPN and start poking around the Tourney lobby. See this tiny $2 rebuy turbo and think "oh this will be fun". Buyin, get 3k chips, look around and realize, oh the blinds are 1,250-2500. Oops. Don't even get to play a hand and the thing stops (rebuy period is over) and asks if I want to add on 30k chips for 2$. Umm, yes please? Close to avg stack now with my massive 10 bb stack. Couldn't have been more than another 30 minute before I had all da monies:



Later after dinner the wife, who is Dominican, starts watching some cracked out 2 hour beauty/talent show that is 100% in spanish. As an Irish man, I'm only hearing noise and this is a green light to grind some more. I poke around the lobby again, buyin to a $15 1K guarantee and maybe 90 minutes later (couldn't find the lobby for this one - had like 73 entries maybe)



I play poker for fun (if I'm lucky I get 8 hours a week), and these were tiny luckbox wins, but damn were they satisfying.

non sd and ev or gtfo

Here at BBV, we don't judge. This is a haven of peer support.

wp YouGotGot - may your heater continue

haha yeah totally

Alright guys. Grethe here from 2p2 and I are hoping you will help us. Its gonna be a long post so here are the cliffs:

We suspect a bot-ring may be running on pokerstars. Mainly in the PLO100 games.

However, we are far from sure, so we will make this post asking you guys how damning the evidence we have actually is.

Furthermore, since we are not sure if these players are indeed bots, we would like to keep it here in the SSPLO community and we will not out any of the players - also because we will be posting stats retrieved from russian PTR


We really hope you will take the time to read this TL;DR post and give your honest opinion. Because as I said, we are far from sure on this subject. But it is a grave matter, as we will show these guys win a loooot of buy ins.


If you have played in the stars PLO100 games you will know me as Charlybumbum. I have been a full time pro for 7.5 years making my living from midstakes LHE up untill 2010, midstakes PLO on Party/Eurobet up untill 2012 and Pokerstars PLO100-PLO200 since. The last couple of years mainly PLO100.

Grethe is also playing in those games, altho not as much as he is busy making money in the real world.

I log about 70-80k hands on average pr month, so there are few regs in the PLO100 games I dont notice and remember. I rarely if ever suspect wrong doing, however there have been a group of players from some eastern european countries the last 18 months or so, that has really triggered my curiosity. They all play very similarly, they all do the same type of things.

They have the same tendencies (Ie 4bet wide oop with a range of hands you dont typically see regs 4bet at these stakes, squeeze very wide in the BB compared to the pool of regs, they are all more showdown bound than typical regs and they have the exact same tendencies on the river.)

It is hard to explain more adequately, except that you are gonna have to trust me, when I say they are different compared to more standard "2p2 and RIO regs" - and what they do differently is the same across the board.

The thing is tho, that the players in question do not have completely similar stats. I have also experienced how they have adjusted to certain things, when I have adjusted to certain of their tendencies. This is imo evidence of human behaviour and not botting

So if these are indeed bots, the bot owner(s) are clever enough to have them not play identically and to adjust when some opponents try and exploit them. Yes they are exploitable in some facets, but overall they are by far the best players in the PLO100 pool


So to some stats and various evidence of more or less circumstantial and anecdotal nature:

These are stats from russian PTR



In total we suspect 7 players.

- 2 from Kazahkstan who we havent seen on pokerstars since July 2014. These are players 6 and 7 in the excel sheet. We could out them as neither PTR or russian PTR have tracked them since July 2014 and we are 99.9% sure they are banned from Stars.

Id like to point your attention to the crazy similarity in a lot of their stats. As I said above I am personally very sure that these guys where indeed bots and are now banned. But Pokerstars will never confirm or deny that pr their policy.

- 4 russian guys. These are players 1-3 and player 5 in the excel sheet. We have highlighted player 5's stats in italics as the sample is smaller and he is somewhat different than the rest stat wise. But style wise he is very very similar

- 1 from a particular eastern european country that we wont name, as it would be very obvious who he is. If you have a good guess, plz dont out him, it would be very unreasonable if he is indeed not a bot!

This is player 4 in the excel sheet. This guy is diverging somewhat from players 1-3 and player 5 in some matters. More on that later.


We dont know how hard evidence these stats are. As you can see they diverge a few percentage points in most key stats. However in other stats they are very similar (RFI SB and CR TURN as examples).

Feel free to give your honest opnion based on these stats. Smoking gun and damning evidence, or just 5 guys learning PLO from the same source?


I am gonna post a few further facts that is definetely circumstantial at best. I am well aware that these facts dont mean that these guys are bots. But it all adds up imho.


- All 7 players are new. None of them have been tracked on Stars prior to PTRs "hiatus" from Pokerstars

- I can not recall ever seing any of them chat. Most regs dont chat regularly, but will occasionally say something. These guys are silent as the grave

- I can not recall ever seing more than 2 of them at the same table at once

- I can not recall ever experiencing them on tilt

- According to russian PTR they never play zoom. 7 guys logging tons of hands, but never ever playing zoom...?

- According to PTR and russian PTR they never play above PLO400 and only one of them (player 4) has played PLO200. 7 guys crushing but not moving up...?

- Assuming the 2 kazahk players were bots, do note the similarities between player 1-5 and those two.

- Possible collusion: Completely circumstantial but I have 80k hands in total in my db with players 1-5. Over this sample they run a massive 100BI over AIEV and it is not because one of them is running hot. One player is at AIEV, the rest are massively above AIEV.

Furthermore, I have 30k hands with player 6-7, they ran 30 BI above AIEV.

I strongly suspect holecard sharing when they are at the same tables!!

- One funny but super weird story that imho is very very suspicous: Sometime last year, I want to say 4-6 months ago, I play a session in the afternoon. One of the guys (player 3) sits at 3 or 4 of my tables. The weird thing is that at 1 table he proceeds to minbet or minraise 100%. Literally 100%, both pre post (eg cbetting 1 bb into 65bb pots). It is only when faced with an all in, where he would call. He does this for about 25 minutes and then leaves. However at the other tables he plays his usual style.

I actually reported this to stars, but I get the std answer. "no wrong doing bla bla"


I think thats it. I have to say to me it looks bad and Grethe agrees with me. But if you guys think we are paranoid idiots who need to get out our tinfoil hats, let us know

I will also like to apologize for posting such serious stuff in the BBV thread, but it is in an effort to keep it under the radar for now.

I just want to point out, that I agree with everything Oink wrote above and that I saw the mysterious episode last year too.

I would believe this but the idea of BOTs crushing plo100 is an instant rejection (at anything more than 50bb buy in). I don't play plo100 outside of zoom so doubt I bumped into any of them. I am more worried about corrupt stars bots that rake the games a little more by winning at showdown more often... they ran 30 BI above AIEV.
I notice some players just run absurd and they do seem bottish -very fast loose calls and crazy 4bets that always hit their 35%, but I just assumed that others are more deserving of lady fortuna's blessings.

The two presumably banned accounts absolutely crushed. I am 100% sure bots can crush PLO100 (the games are quite beatable in contrast to popular 2p2 opinion). And I am 99.5% sure those two accounts are banned bots