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03-04-2009 , 10:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Zacharrrr
lolz i read all your kinda lose shove it ship it advice ive been giving myself, but i cant win anymore. i think im down 40 buy ins or sg. since 1st of feb. thats so bad wow.
I find this kinda surprising. When we've played the last few days, you seemed to be playing really solid-ish and not really getting out of line.
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03-04-2009 , 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Zacharrrr
lolz i read all your kinda lose shove it ship it advice ive been giving myself, but i cant win anymore. i think im down 40 buy ins or sg. since 1st of feb. thats so bad wow.
I've gone through stretches like that myself and during a couple of them, I was positive I was never going to play poker again. I would go over the hands played during the stretch almost obsessively - to the point where I had most of the big hands memorized. Looking at the equity and going over the lines taken can be helpful, but I think it's always hard to fully see past the ingrown bias. So, if you have someone who can look over the hands, it could really help settle your nerves and buffer the inevitable hit to your confidence.

For me, I think the best thing to do (for now, at least) is to continue playing, but I'm quick to end a session and take a breather before playing anymore; some people do better with taking some time off and being distracted from poker. The hardest things are to remember that it's just a game and that it will turn around and that mental state is (IMO) a vital, if under appreciated aspect of playing profitable poker.

If you'd like someone to go over hands with, feel free to send me a bunch and I'll provide whatever insight I can.
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03-04-2009 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by blopp
So ive 3 weeks to learn HORSE before a live MTT, any good sources?

Im esp lost in razz and stud games...
7 Card Stud for Advanced Players and High-Low Split Poker (this covers O8 and Stud8).

In a live MTT, I think it's fairly reasonable to assume that the overall field will be rather weak, so just remember to play live hands and try to keep track of the upcards, which will clue you in to how live your hand is amongst other things.

For example, in Stud, 789 looks good, but it's pretty crappy and I think unplayable if more than a couple (at most) if your straight cards are out. Your first priority will be 6s and Ts, but you also want to have some idea of the other cards.

In Stud8, you're looking for 2way hands ("razz hands" like 268 are pretty weak, particularly if the 8 is the upcard) with a high premium on low cards. Stud8 tends to have a ton of jamming, so getting wedged in for multiple bets on multiple streets while chasing a high only hand is rather unpleasant. Also, you tend to telegraph your hand as a high hand, so competent players are really going to try and trap you. Be particularly careful with big parts, especially when one is an upcard. I still don't think I can play most of them profitably, but I still suck at the same.
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03-04-2009 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by blopp
So ive 3 weeks to learn HORSE before a live MTT, any good sources?

Im esp lost in razz and stud games...
click here imo
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03-04-2009 , 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveL91
7 Card Stud for Advanced Players and High-Low Split Poker (this covers O8 and Stud8).
If you do happen to read this, just be aware that some of the ideas might be too advanced for your opposition; the field will probably be weak, as steve pointed out, and you might out level yourself. I think it might even warn you in the book about this, too.
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03-05-2009 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by keikiwai
cool thanks, so this is a shove on the flop?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($231.65)
BB ($314.35)
UTG ($203)
MP ($37)
Hero (CO) ($244)
Button ($207.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3, A, J, A
2 folds, Hero bets $7, Button raises to $24, 2 folds, Hero raises to $75, Button calls $51

Flop: ($153) 4, 8, 6 (2 players)
you have 2 backdoor flushdraws!
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03-05-2009 , 01:00 AM
lol this game is so damn easy when I'm not tilting / exhausted / 9-tabling.
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03-05-2009 , 01:13 AM
$2,000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players - View hand 57213
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SB: $3350.00
BB: $806.00
Hero (UTG): $3985.00
CO: $4017.00
BTN: $800.00

Pre Flop: ($30.00) Hero is UTG with 5 Q 3 Q
Hero raises to $70, CO calls $70, 1 fold, SB calls $60, BB calls $50

Flop: ($280.00) A 8 Q (4 players)
SB bets $200, BB folds, Hero calls $200, CO calls $200

Turn: ($880.00) 7 (3 players)
SB bets $600, Hero raises to $2678

Im wedged between two nits, do I still shove this turn? such a sucky spot
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03-05-2009 , 01:18 AM
trader13 story of the day, check out table 10/20 PLO on Stars, he had 34K stack and then came the judgment day for him, still 10K left at the moment.
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03-05-2009 , 01:19 AM
Quick update he just lost 20K pot to Rsa, partys over.

PokerStars Game #25617149567: Omaha Pot Limit ($10/$20) - 2009/03/05 0:17:33 ET
Table 'Eulalia VII' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Dogg11 ($11051 in chips)
Seat 2: The_Groke ($6408.20 in chips)
Seat 3: trader13 ($10934.05 in chips)
Seat 4: berdyfish ($4885 in chips)
Seat 5: Ocho4950 ($5902 in chips)
Seat 6: Rsa87 ($19022 in chips)
Ocho4950: posts small blind $10
Rsa87: posts big blind $20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dogg11: folds
The_Groke: folds
trader13: raises $40 to $60
berdyfish: folds
Ocho4950: folds
Rsa87: calls $40
*** FLOP *** [4d Ah 6c]
Rsa87: bets $100
trader13: raises $327 to $427
Rsa87: calls $327
*** TURN *** [4d Ah 6c] [3h]
Rsa87: checks
trader13: bets $740
Rsa87: calls $740
*** RIVER *** [4d Ah 6c 3h] [Ac]
Rsa87: checks
trader13: bets $2100
Rsa87: raises $6661 to $8761
trader13: calls $6661
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Rsa87: shows [As 6d 5h 4h] (a full house, Aces full of Sixes)
trader13: mucks hand
The_Groke said, "dfasfasf"
Rsa87 collected $19983 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $19986 | Rake $3
Board [4d Ah 6c 3h Ac]
Seat 1: Dogg11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: The_Groke folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: trader13 mucked
Seat 4: berdyfish (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Ocho4950 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Rsa87 (big blind) showed [As 6d 5h 4h] and won ($19983) with a full house, Aces full of Sixes
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03-05-2009 , 02:29 AM
I am so done with PLO for now. I have played 66,739 hands this year, and im up whopping 217$ I did first ok in January winning about 20BI in 2kPLO then lost and finished month up only 6.5BI. Last month same thing, first up 20BI then in 2days down to almost zero. This month im down 13.5k, which feels kinda bad since i was already up same amount, until todays session... So sh***y. I guess it's time to move down, and do something about my game. Any help feedback/comments about my play appreciated. You can berate me publically or PM me.

The_Groke
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03-05-2009 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by keikiwai
trivial check fold, villain is a decent tight reg:

Button ($204.40)
Hero (SB) ($254)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, A, 6
2 folds, CO bets $6, Button raises to $21, Hero raises to $71, 2 folds, Button calls $50

Flop: ($150) 9, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $133.40 (All-In), Hero folds
Wow... I am aghast. I hope this is a level and you actually double misclicked.
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03-05-2009 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by keikiwai
trivial check fold, villain is a decent tight reg:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($582.70)
Button ($204.40)
Hero (SB) ($254)
BB ($213.80)
UTG ($76.45)
MP ($459.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, A, 6
2 folds, CO bets $6, Button raises to $21, Hero raises to $71, 2 folds, Button calls $50

Flop: ($150) 9, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $133.40 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $150 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $147
I understand he has to pot the flop and get it in here.
But arnt we in the best case scenario 60/40 or something?

board: Kh7h9s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ks6sAhAd 59.88% 491 0
2h3h4cTc 40.12% 329 0
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03-05-2009 , 04:19 AM
There is so much dead money we could only fold if he shows us a set or 2 pair+FD or something like that. Seems like a standard shove to me on almost any flop, this flop isn't even that bad compared to others.
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03-05-2009 , 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Pokerbrat
There is so much dead money we could only fold if he shows us a set or 2 pair+FD or something like that. Seems like a standard shove to me on almost any flop, this flop isn't even that bad compared to others.
I know its a standard spot to shove. But its in alot of cases much closer then we think imo. i'm not here to argue how the hand should be played, its obv clear we have to shove the flop. I just want to point out that its alot closer then the most of us think.imo.

board: Kh7h9s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ks6sAhAd 46.95% 385 0
Kc2h3hTd 53.05% 435 0
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03-05-2009 , 06:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keikiwai
trivial check fold, villain is a decent tight reg:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($582.70)
Button ($204.40)
Hero (SB) ($254)
BB ($213.80)
UTG ($76.45)
MP ($459.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, A, 6
2 folds, CO bets $6, Button raises to $21, Hero raises to $71, 2 folds, Button calls $50

Flop: ($150) 9, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $133.40 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $150 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $147
I think your hand is to weak to trap flop with so I push. But folding is obvs out of the Q.
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03-05-2009 , 09:56 AM
I finallly reached 100k hands in PTO without my computer f***ing up, or PTO deciding to stop working,
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03-05-2009 , 10:01 AM
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I just want to point out that its alot closer then the most of us think.imo.

board: Kh7h9s
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
Ks6sAhAd 46.95% 385 0
Kc2h3hTd 53.05% 435 0
we all know that we are not a big favorite if a favorite at all vs. his range. but we are most certainly not a 2/1+ dog vs. it either.
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03-05-2009 , 11:23 AM
the sunny climates of Nottingham here I come
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03-05-2009 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by UnitedAs1
I finallly reached 100k hands in PTO without my computer f***ing up, or PTO deciding to stop working,
garphsss
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03-05-2009 , 12:29 PM
will do later but they suck i think,

anyway how did i miss on this hand

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 57546
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UTG: $103.80
Hero (MP): $111.15
CO: $128.30
BTN: $67.70
SB: $99.50
BB: $16.30

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with 4 6 7 8
1 fold, Hero calls $1, CO raises to $4.50, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50) 5 3 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $10, Hero raises to $40.50, CO raises to $123.80 all in, Hero calls $66.15 all in

Turn: ($223.80) A (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($223.80) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $223.80
Hero shows 4 6 7 8 (Ace Ten high)
CO shows 9 T 9 Q (three of a kind, Nines)
CO wins $220.80
(Rake: $3.00)

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03-05-2009 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by UnitedAs1
anyway how did i miss on this hand
can somebody do the math for this?
i mean nh and ul, you cant do anything about that, just put your money in the middle as fast and as much as you can.
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03-05-2009 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by UnitedAs1

anyway how did i miss on this hand
this looks like a classic case of not clenching the cheeks of your arse tight enough when you got your money in. Rookie error, clench harder the next time and you will get there on the river.
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03-05-2009 , 12:45 PM
^^^ note taken
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03-05-2009 , 02:00 PM






There you go i dont like it that much though
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