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03-04-2009 , 01:18 AM
^6 tables is actually perfect for me. It's once that 7th one pops up that it goes downhill!

Also, wanted to hear some thoughts on bluff-raise bet-sizing?

When I'm raising for value, I tend to just pot it because I don't want to let people draw, etc. However, this makes my bluff raising costly if I want to balance.

I understand against bad players it probably doesn't matter, but it's a tell that I have noticed on other regs as well.
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03-04-2009 , 01:48 AM
lol, i just made a reg go ape**** in chat at 1/2 plo

plo sure is an emotional game
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03-04-2009 , 01:54 AM
def pay attention to bet sizing as it relates to flop texture and river value / fold generation

often there's no need to pot either for value or bluff given the drier flop textures or obv river situations

i see a lot of bet oversizing in general

so, to ballance bluff and value think about lower your bet size in general.... you'll find you can get more value esp on rivers and your bluffs will be more disguised and equally effective

imo
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03-04-2009 , 02:47 AM
okokok sorry for the multiple posts, but this is my biggest plo pot so far (they both seem somewhat optimistic, esp button)

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($95.40)
BB ($220.30)
Hero (UTG) ($241.70)
MP ($198.90)
Button ($208.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A, 3, 10
Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button calls $7, SB calls $6, BB calls $5

Flop: ($28) 6, A, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $20, Button calls $20, 1 fold, BB calls $20

Turn: ($88) J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $70, Button raises to $181.15 (All-In), BB raises to $193.30 (All-In), Hero calls $123.30

River: ($655.75) Q (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $655.75 | Rake: $2
Main pot: $631.45 between BB, Hero and Button, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $24.30 between BB and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
Button mucked A, 6, J, Q (two pair, Aces and Queens).
BB had 7, 4, 7, 5 (one pair, sevens).
Hero had A, A, 3, 10 (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $653.75
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03-04-2009 , 04:21 AM
I love how a nlh player comes and states the obvious and it seems revelatory.

Just giving you a hard time k, I had a problem with overbetting, it is a leak.

Welcome to the omaha forum, and NH SIR.
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03-04-2009 , 05:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keikiwai
okokok sorry for the multiple posts, but this is my biggest plo pot so far (they both seem somewhat optimistic, esp button)

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($95.40)
BB ($220.30)
Hero (UTG) ($241.70)
MP ($198.90)
Button ($208.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A, 3, 10
Hero bets $7, 1 fold, Button calls $7, SB calls $6, BB calls $5

Flop: ($28) 6, A, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $20, Button calls $20, 1 fold, BB calls $20

Turn: ($88) J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $70, Button raises to $181.15 (All-In), BB raises to $193.30 (All-In), Hero calls $123.30

River: ($655.75) Q (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $655.75 | Rake: $2
Main pot: $631.45 between BB, Hero and Button, won by Hero
Side pot 1: $24.30 between BB and Hero, won by Hero

Results:
Button mucked A, 6, J, Q (two pair, Aces and Queens).
BB had 7, 4, 7, 5 (one pair, sevens).
Hero had A, A, 3, 10 (three of a kind, Aces).
Outcome: Hero won $653.75
I am embarrassed to say that I am the button in this hand. I tanked a while and just shoved, it's really a very easy fold. I tend to do silly stuff like this at the beginning of a session. Atleast I know who you are now, are you outed?
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03-04-2009 , 05:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arjun13
I am embarrassed to say that I am the button in this hand. I tanked a while and just shoved, it's really a very easy fold. I tend to do silly stuff like this at the beginning of a session. Atleast I know who you are now, are you outed?
easy if you can see their cards yeah. In that case i'd just fold preflop.

i'd fold preflop anyway even if I couldnt see any cards
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03-04-2009 , 06:52 AM
Full Tilt Poker $500/$1000 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players - View hand 56455
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

durrrr (BTN/SB): $507270.25
Ziigmund (BB): $117390.00

Pre Flop: ($1500.00)
durrrr raises to $3000, Ziigmund raises to $9000, durrrr calls $6000

Flop: ($18000.00) 3 Q 8 (2 players)
Ziigmund checks, durrrr checks

Turn: ($18000.00) 8 (2 players)
Ziigmund checks, durrrr checks

River: ($18000.00) 4 (2 players)
Ziigmund checks, durrrr bets $7400, Ziigmund calls $7400

Final Pot: $32800.00
durrrr shows A Q 3 2 (two pair, Queens and Eights)
durrrr wins $32799.50
(Rake: $0.50)

Ever since someone posted about how good railing the durrr HU matches are I downloaded full tilt and started railing. Damn you!

sick value imo
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03-04-2009 , 08:29 AM
Who is a good plo coach? I've been trying this game out more as my NL results lately have been goign to the ****ter. I feel like I am about the level of the 1/2 regs and have been playing mostly that, although I can beat some of the 2/4 or 3/6 games when they are good. Most of my NL play is like 3/6 - 5/10 and I really wanna give this game a serious shot this time.

So, who can bring me up the to the midstakes+ the fastest?
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03-04-2009 , 01:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arjun13
I am embarrassed to say that I am the button in this hand. I tanked a while and just shoved, it's really a very easy fold. I tend to do silly stuff like this at the beginning of a session. Atleast I know who you are now, are you outed?
yeah, i'm outed, but it's been a while, so don't out me again plz...

i'm just starting to learn plo

the fish to reg ratio is amazingly juicy compared to similar nlhe stakes
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03-04-2009 , 04:21 PM
trivial check fold, villain is a decent tight reg:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($582.70)
Button ($204.40)
Hero (SB) ($254)
BB ($213.80)
UTG ($76.45)
MP ($459.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, A, 6
2 folds, CO bets $6, Button raises to $21, Hero raises to $71, 2 folds, Button calls $50

Flop: ($150) 9, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $133.40 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $150 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $147
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03-04-2009 , 04:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keikiwai
trivial check fold, villain is a decent tight reg:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($582.70)
Button ($204.40)
Hero (SB) ($254)
BB ($213.80)
UTG ($76.45)
MP ($459.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, A, 6
2 folds, CO bets $6, Button raises to $21, Hero raises to $71, 2 folds, Button calls $50

Flop: ($150) 9, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $133.40 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $150 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $147
i don't get why you aren't shoving it in here. seems awful to me to c/f
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03-04-2009 , 04:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arjun13
i don't get why you aren't shoving it in here. seems awful to me to c/f
cause he has KK or a str8 and F combo?

i mean it seems like a split at best
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03-04-2009 , 05:03 PM
You're doing fine vs combo draws (especially when you consider pot odds) and KK is unlikely cause you have a K.
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03-04-2009 , 05:10 PM
So ive 3 weeks to learn HORSE before a live MTT, any good sources?

Im esp lost in razz and stud games...
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03-04-2009 , 05:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keikiwai
trivial check fold, villain is a decent tight reg:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($582.70)
Button ($204.40)
Hero (SB) ($254)
BB ($213.80)
UTG ($76.45)
MP ($459.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, A, 6
2 folds, CO bets $6, Button raises to $21, Hero raises to $71, 2 folds, Button calls $50

Flop: ($150) 9, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $133.40 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $150 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $147
Check/folding here is awful... shove flop everytime
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03-04-2009 , 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arjun13
I am embarrassed to say that I am the button in this hand. I tanked a while and just shoved, it's really a very easy fold. I tend to do silly stuff like this at the beginning of a session. Atleast I know who you are now, are you outed?
R U SRS? I'd never fold that spot unless keikiwai's a super-nit or something. I'd usually C/R the flop, but if I called to the turn and got that card, I'd be shoveling my chips in for sure.


Quote:
Originally Posted by keikiwai
trivial check fold, villain is a decent tight reg:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($582.70)
Button ($204.40)
Hero (SB) ($254)
BB ($213.80)
UTG ($76.45)
MP ($459.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, A, 6
2 folds, CO bets $6, Button raises to $21, Hero raises to $71, 2 folds, Button calls $50

Flop: ($150) 9, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $133.40 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $150 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $147
Oh wait, I guess you are a super-nit. This would be a terrible fold even without the king in your hand and it's even worse with it. Especially against a good tight reg that's probably folding KKxx to the 4-bet. Worst-case scenario you're a 70/30 dog to K9 and most of the time he'll have a ****ty wrap or a pair + GS or something.
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03-04-2009 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iggymcfly
R U SRS? I'd never fold that spot unless keikiwai's a super-nit or something. I'd usually C/R the flop, but if I called to the turn and got that card, I'd be shoveling my chips in for sure.




Oh wait, I guess you are a super-nit. This would be a terrible fold even without the king in your hand and it's even worse with it. Especially against a good tight reg that's probably folding KKxx to the 4-bet. Worst-case scenario you're a 70/30 dog to K9 and most of the time he'll have a ****ty wrap or a pair + GS or something.
oh man............... thanks (i'm not a nit, rather my moves are somewhat randomized, since i have no clue what i'm doing)
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03-04-2009 , 05:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by keikiwai
trivial check fold, villain is a decent tight reg:

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($582.70)
Button ($204.40)
Hero (SB) ($254)
BB ($213.80)
UTG ($76.45)
MP ($459.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A, A, 6
2 folds, CO bets $6, Button raises to $21, Hero raises to $71, 2 folds, Button calls $50

Flop: ($150) 9, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $133.40 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $150 | Rake: $3

Results:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $147

<psb left this is an easy shove after 4bet, even if they were all hearts probably
check this out for PLO, like pokerstove
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03-04-2009 , 07:03 PM
lolz i read all your kinda lose shove it ship it advice ive been giving myself, but i cant win anymore. i think im down 40 buy ins or sg. since 1st of feb. thats so bad wow.
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03-04-2009 , 07:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blopp
So ive 3 weeks to learn HORSE before a live MTT, any good sources?

Im esp lost in razz and stud games...
Super System 2 is pretty solid on razz and stud, especially the split variant. Stud high you'd have to go to fundamentals of poker.
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03-04-2009 , 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jwc529
<psb left this is an easy shove after 4bet, even if they were all hearts probably
check this out for PLO, like pokerstove
cool thanks, so this is a shove on the flop?

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $2.00 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($231.65)
BB ($314.35)
UTG ($203)
MP ($37)
Hero (CO) ($244)
Button ($207.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3, A, J, A
2 folds, Hero bets $7, Button raises to $24, 2 folds, Hero raises to $75, Button calls $51

Flop: ($153) 4, 8, 6 (2 players)
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03-04-2009 , 08:19 PM
ldo
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03-04-2009 , 08:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blopp
So ive 3 weeks to learn HORSE before a live MTT, any good sources?

Im esp lost in razz and stud games...
Razz is v easy to learn. Stud is ok, stud 8 a little more difficult.



keikiwai- once you put that much in with aa pre, dont even bother looking at the flop, just auto call, or auto pot.

Last edited by chinaski101; 03-04-2009 at 08:29 PM.
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03-04-2009 , 08:23 PM
stick to PLO imo
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