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08-17-2011 , 04:29 AM
Villain was playing 38/3 over 30 hands. Had no reads on him, however his stats show his agr freq was pretty high. I feel like people don't play their flush or straightdraws like this but also play their boats slower. But maybe he thought this was tricky to do with a monster because it looks like a draw? Do people play 8654 this way? If they do but also play A8, K8 like this, do I have to call/raise?

    Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10292842

    Hero (MP): $1,782.50 (445.6 bb)
    CO: $400 (100 bb)
    BTN: $232 (58 bb)
    SB: $252 (63 bb)
    BB: $400 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with Q 8 7 Q
    Hero raises to $12, CO folds, BTN calls $12, 2 folds

    Flop: ($30) 8 T 8 (2 players)
    Hero bets $20, BTN raises to $88.50, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $70 pot ($2 rake)
    Final Board: 8 T 8
    Hero mucked Q 8 7 Q and lost (-$32 net)
    BTN mucked and won $68 ($36 net)



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    08-17-2011 , 04:38 AM
    Shoving hand no. 1.

    Second hand is a bit villain dependent. Some fish will stackoff any trips. Some will not raise anything. Some good regs will raise fulls here, some won't. Some will raise draws, some won't. When villain is playing 38/3 I don't expect him to bluffraise these boards, or raise draws too often, and mostly put them on K8/A8 and fold.
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    08-17-2011 , 07:57 AM
    30 hands in, villain is 3betting 20% and calling 67% lol

    I'm a bit ******ed w/stoving ranges, any help? Also thoughts on flop raise vs. call? Seems like calling is easier+ probably breakeven yeah?

    [converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $10/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10293022

    BB: $1,180 (118 bb)
    Hero (SB): $1,299 (129.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J K 8 3
    Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $90, Hero calls $60

    Flop: ($180) K 2 Q (2 players)
    BB bets $120, Hero raises to $300,


    Simulated 100000 Omaha Hands (Monte Carlo)
    Simulation by Slice - The ev++ Equity Calculator
    Board :: Kh2cQc
    Code:
     Player   Equity   Win Hi   Tie Hi                    Range                       
        
       1       45.3     44.8     1.0                      jckc8s3h                
       2       54.7     54.2     1.0      AA**, KK**, AK**, KQ**, JTc*c*, QJTc*c*
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    08-17-2011 , 07:59 AM
    Easy ship yes? Do you guys play it any differently?

    [converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $10/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10293032

    BB: $917.85 (91.8 bb)
    Hero (SB): $750 (75 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 J 2 4
    Hero raises to $30, BB calls $20

    Flop: ($60) A J 7 (2 players)
    BB bets $60, Hero calls $60

    Turn: ($180) 2 (2 players)
    BB bets $140, Hero calls $140

    River: ($460) J (2 players)
    BB bets $230, Hero raises to $520 and is all-in
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    08-17-2011 , 04:25 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Syous
    Easy ship yes? Do you guys play it any differently?

    [converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $10/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10293032

    BB: $917.85 (91.8 bb)
    Hero (SB): $750 (75 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 J 2 4
    Hero raises to $30, BB calls $20

    Flop: ($60) A J 7 (2 players)
    BB bets $60, Hero calls $60

    Turn: ($180) 2 (2 players)
    BB bets $140, Hero calls $140

    River: ($460) J (2 players)
    BB bets $230, Hero raises to $520 and is all-in
    jaming is bad imo... he is very polarized and I don't think you beat his valuerange
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    08-17-2011 , 07:29 PM
    yeah just snap him off, don't raise
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    08-17-2011 , 10:12 PM
    Yeah easy snap, if the extra bet goes in, you're beat.
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    08-18-2011 , 01:36 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SeaKing
    Yeah easy snap, if the extra bet goes in, you're beat.
    can you explain? are we beat by AAxx that supposedly flatted pre or the one combo of AJ that chose that river sizing (incongruent imo with his actual hand). we are short and its hu....id play it the same
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    08-18-2011 , 01:52 PM
    We're probably not beat. But that's more probable than us being ahead and the raise getting called.
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    08-18-2011 , 02:01 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Jabonator
    We're probably not beat. But that's more probable than us being ahead and the raise getting called.
    let him decide/be a hero...i just can't imagine us being behind in this spot often enough to warrant a call. if we happen to valuetown ourselves ocassionaly - i am fine with it.
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    08-18-2011 , 02:05 PM
    syous, i play like u did,but on river just call.
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    08-18-2011 , 02:11 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by higher_energy
    let him decide/be a hero...i just can't imagine us being behind in this spot often enough to warrant a call. if we happen to valuetown ourselves ocassionaly - i am fine with it.
    this is how i feel yet I can see why people would want to call but what about the times he leads with naked Jx type hands? I feel like there are more combos of that than a pre-call with AAxx or AJxx


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Syous
    30 hands in, villain is 3betting 20% and calling 67% lol

    I'm a bit ******ed w/stoving ranges, any help? Also thoughts on flop raise vs. call? Seems like calling is easier+ probably breakeven yeah?

    [converted_hand][hand_history]On Game, $10/$10 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10293022

    BB: $1,180 (118 bb)
    Hero (SB): $1,299 (129.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with J K 8 3
    Hero raises to $30, BB raises to $90, Hero calls $60

    Flop: ($180) K 2 Q (2 players)
    BB bets $120, Hero raises to $300,


    Simulated 100000 Omaha Hands (Monte Carlo)
    Simulation by Slice - The ev++ Equity Calculator
    Board :: Kh2cQc
    Code:
     Player   Equity   Win Hi   Tie Hi                    Range                       
        
       1       45.3     44.8     1.0                      jckc8s3h                
       2       54.7     54.2     1.0      AA**, KK**, AK**, KQ**, JTc*c*, QJTc*c*
    any thoughts on this or should i just make a thread?
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    08-18-2011 , 02:20 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Syous
    this is how i feel yet I can see why people would want to call but what about the times he leads with naked Jx type hands? I feel like there are more combos of that than a pre-call with AAxx or AJxx

    any thoughts on this or should i just make a thread?
    regarding combos of hands that beat us given the way the hands played out (that range is minute) - basically thats exactly what i said above
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    08-19-2011 , 04:07 AM
    I'd flat flop in that hand.
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    08-19-2011 , 04:50 AM
    Villain had 42bb to start the hand. Do you flat flop looking to bluff some turns and to prevent getting shoved on by the big stack?

    Or would you raise smallish to make shorty fold naked AA/KK/QQ? And maybe fold vs. action from big stack?


    [converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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    Hero (BTN): $400 (100 bb)
    SB: $396 (99 bb)
    BB: $374.70 (93.7 bb)
    UTG: $170.10 (42.5 bb)
    MP: $921.80 (230.5 bb)
    CO: $484.20 (121.1 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 5 A Q 4
    UTG raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero calls $8, SB calls $6, BB folds

    Flop: ($28) J 5 3 (3 players)
    SB checks, UTG bets $20 Hero ???
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    08-19-2011 , 05:01 AM
    UTG isn't folding naked AA to a raise + there aren't many turns you'd want to bluff. You have a pretty massive hand so I'd just raise to 60 and get it in. If SB comes over the top that's super ugly.
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    08-19-2011 , 05:09 AM
    What about naked KK/QQ, is he folding those? Should be a slight difference with those hands and he probably opens most KK combo's and more than 50% of QQ combo's.
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    08-19-2011 , 08:39 AM
    Is this spew pre? And what about bet calling it of on the flop?
    Both players are around 27/22.

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    Hero ($515)
    BB ($1,243)
    UTG ($611)
    UTG+1 ($400)
    CO ($303)
    BTN ($515)

    Dealt to Hero T 6 8 9

    UTG raises to $12, UTG+1 calls $12, fold, fold, Hero raises to $52, fold, UTG calls $40, UTG+1 calls $40

    FLOP ($160) K 8 9

    Hero bets $157,
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    08-19-2011 , 09:09 AM
    just flat pre
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    08-19-2011 , 11:12 AM
    Yeah just flat pre but now there's nothing else you can do but stick it in imo.
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    08-19-2011 , 12:35 PM
    Villain in this hand is a Tight-Tag ( 23-15-6 ) Plays tight and straightforward post, never seen him make moves. His CR in 3b pots is 28%, and I think its more closer to 10-15% this deep I believe.
    Just checking... this abit close I believe, but pretty standard? If so, at wich stack depths do we considering folding here/take other lines?

      Poker Stars, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10310042

      SB: $1,387.60 (231.3 bb)
      BB: $1,590.70 (265.1 bb)
      UTG: $601.05 (100.2 bb)
      MP: $658.90 (109.8 bb)
      CO: $1,102.10 (183.7 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $1,730.90 (288.5 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A 3 Q
      2 folds, CO raises to $18, Hero raises to $63, 2 folds, CO calls $45

      Flop: ($135) 9 6 Q (2 players)
      CO checks, Hero bets $66, CO raises to $277.20, Hero raises to $963.60, CO raises to $1,039.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $75.50

      Turn: ($2,213.20) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
      River: ($2,213.20) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

      Spoiler:
      Results: $2,213.20 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: 9 6 Q J 5
      CO showed J A 4 T and lost (-$1,102.10 net)
      Hero showed A A 3 Q and won $2,210.20 ($1,108.10 net)



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      Last edited by grinder10; 08-19-2011 at 12:43 PM.
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      08-19-2011 , 02:19 PM
      5-10-25 plo

      8 handed

      utg is a solid, straighforward reg, who doesnt get out of line often.
      i've viewed as tight aggressive.

      eff stacks 4k

      pre 7h10hJsQs

      utg calls 25, mp raise to 60, 3 callers, several folders, I call in CO, utg calls (6 to flop)

      Flop

      8c9dKh (360)

      checks around to me in CO and I PSB 360.

      UTG calls, rest fold.

      Turn

      Ks (1080)

      Utg check, I check.

      River

      6d (1080)

      UTG bets 600.

      I tank for 3 or 4 minutes and fold face up.

      He claims later in the night that he had the same hand 10/7, but obviously not the big wrap.

      Not sure if I believe he had the 10/7, I just feel like he had a set on the flop.

      Anyway, how do you like the fold, or not. I would have been calling 600 into 1680, and I certainly think i had the odds to call, but I feel a fold was just as appropriate given the flop action.

      the super wrap looks great, but KK, K8, K9, K6, 66, 88, 99, are all in this players pre-flop and flop calling range...

      ugh...

      overall I think i'm happy with the fold, flame away.
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      08-19-2011 , 05:06 PM
      Bet turn you baboon.
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      08-20-2011 , 02:49 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Odd_Oddsen
      Villain in this hand is a Tight-Tag ( 23-15-6 ) Plays tight and straightforward post, never seen him make moves. His CR in 3b pots is 28%, and I think its more closer to 10-15% this deep I believe.
      Just checking... this abit close I believe, but pretty standard? If so, at wich stack depths do we considering folding here/take other lines?

        Poker Stars, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10310042

        SB: $1,387.60 (231.3 bb)
        BB: $1,590.70 (265.1 bb)
        UTG: $601.05 (100.2 bb)
        MP: $658.90 (109.8 bb)
        CO: $1,102.10 (183.7 bb)
        Hero (BTN): $1,730.90 (288.5 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is BTN with A A 3 Q
        2 folds, CO raises to $18, Hero raises to $63, 2 folds, CO calls $45

        Flop: ($135) 9 6 Q (2 players)
        CO checks, Hero bets $66, CO raises to $277.20, Hero raises to $963.60, CO raises to $1,039.10 and is all-in, Hero calls $75.50

        Turn: ($2,213.20) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: ($2,213.20) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $2,213.20 pot ($3 rake)
        Final Board: 9 6 Q J 5
        CO showed J A 4 T and lost (-$1,102.10 net)
        Hero showed A A 3 Q and won $2,210.20 ($1,108.10 net)



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        looks std to me
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        08-20-2011 , 02:50 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by sean54
        Is this spew pre? And what about bet calling it of on the flop?
        Both players are around 27/22.

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        PL Omaha $4(BB) Replayer
        Hero ($515)
        BB ($1,243)
        UTG ($611)
        UTG+1 ($400)
        CO ($303)
        BTN ($515)

        Dealt to Hero T 6 8 9

        UTG raises to $12, UTG+1 calls $12, fold, fold, Hero raises to $52, fold, UTG calls $40, UTG+1 calls $40

        FLOP ($160) K 8 9

        Hero bets $157,
        def jam
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