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07-28-2011 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by jakhamma
30 hands/hour can be a real drag.
What live PLO games do you play?

In my experience even NLHE live (not tournies) gets only 22-25 hands per hour, and PLO is more like 15-20 hands per hour. Wish I could get in those 30 hands/hour at live PLO.
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07-28-2011 , 02:22 PM
i play 10hands/hour because at my town everyone make deals at every ****** hand.

that tilts me so hard... 5minutes discussing a ******ed deal for 80bbs pot. lol.
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07-28-2011 , 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by urubu111
i play 10hands/hour because at my town everyone make deals at every ****** hand.

that tilts me so hard... 5minutes discussing a ******ed deal for 80bbs pot. lol.
lol

nl/plo?
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07-28-2011 , 03:03 PM
plo

its pathetic. sometimes they make deals like this:

player A w/ AKT2 on TT2 against KQQT. before dealer burn cards, player A says, ''deal?'' LOL.

if i tell you the deals i already made and/or saw people doing, you would think i am lying.

some people do this because are scared money, but most of them do this because brazilian field is sooo small that they are friends w/ each other.

and what about this: reg A bet 8k on turn w/ a set. was a bet pot, which was all in player B call. B had flush draw... B folded faced up flush draw. someone seeing this action and feeling the diamond would fall on river, says ''hey, i buy this bet. i call w/ his cards. can i do this?'', reg A say its fine. don't need say river was a diamond, right? everything can happens!!!

street poker lol.
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07-29-2011 , 03:45 PM
OnGame - $20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $3,809.00
UTG: $1,660.00
CO: $2,600.00
BTN: $2,000.00
SB: $1,980.00

SB posts SB $20.00, Hero posts BB $20.00

Pre Flop: ($40.00) Hero has K 7 Q A

fold, CO raises to $60.00, fold, SB calls $40.00, Hero calls $40.00

Flop: ($180.00, 3 players) Q 7 4
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $140.00, SB calls $140.00, Hero?


pf ok? lead flop? against 2 standard regs
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07-29-2011 , 06:40 PM
pf is fine imo, you should lead fold the flop.
as played call, hate a raise here.
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07-30-2011 , 02:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by urubu111
i play 10hands/hour because at my town everyone make deals at every ****** hand.

that tilts me so hard... 5minutes discussing a ******ed deal for 80bbs pot. lol.
They call it business where I play live now. Definitely can be tilting. We are going to a "run it style" soon where can run it 2-3 times if players agree but no equity or anything else. Most of us normally just say once or twice quickly and game moves but live PLO combined with deal making makes games very very slow.
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08-01-2011 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ChuckBass
pf is fine imo, you should lead fold the flop.
as played call, hate a raise here.
I agree with everything except I would fold pre against a tough reg.
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08-01-2011 , 07:18 PM
Standard Q from a small stakes noob. I'm railing some 10/20 (yes rly, lol) and saw this, which is as standard as a hand can get but it got me thinking.

Who has the edge in a hand like this? I mean, the hands pretty much play themselves both preflop and postflop. I guess it's standard plolmaha but still, someone has to come out ahead if they play this hand a million times.

    Poker Stars, $10/$20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $10,810 (540.5 bb)
    BB: $2,000 (100 bb)
    UTG: $3,103.25 (155.2 bb)
    MP: $2,478.40 (123.9 bb)
    CO: $2,000 (100 bb)
    BTN: $3,900 (195 bb)

    Preflop:
    UTG raises to $60, MP folds, CO calls $60, BTN raises to $270, SB folds, BB raises to $940, 2 folds, BTN calls $670

    Flop: ($2,010) 8 T 4 (2 players)
    BB bets $1,060 and is all-in, BTN calls $1,060

    Turn: ($4,130) K (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($4,130) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Results: $4,130 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: 8 T 4 K 6
    BB showed A 3 5 A and lost (-$2,000 net)
    BTN showed Q T J K and won $4,127 ($2,127 net)
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    08-01-2011 , 07:27 PM
    aces?
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    08-01-2011 , 07:38 PM
    2 hands where i put a lot of money in pf..



    co is an agro reg, utg is kinda fishy. bit hard to describe really but his range is def wider than AA and may shove everything he continues here (not too sure about that though). sb is a splashy fish

    CO: $9,950.00
    BTN: $4,900.00
    SB: $24,693.80
    BB: $7,069.00
    UTG: $1,782.00
    Hero (MP): $5,597.00

    SB posts SB $50.00, BB posts BB $50.00

    Pre Flop: ($100.00) Hero has 5 8 4 6

    UTG raises to $100.00, Hero calls $100.00, CO raises to $500.00, fold, SB calls $450.00, fold, UTG raises to $1,782.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $1,682.00, CO raises to $7,678.00, fold, Hero calls $3,815.00 and is all-in




    utg is an agro fish, mp standard shorty


    SB: $950.00
    BB: $5,097.00
    UTG: $24,593.80
    MP: $4,900.00
    CO: $2,322.00
    Hero (BTN): $8,086.00

    SB posts SB $50.00, BB posts BB $50.00

    Pre Flop: ($100.00) Hero has 7 J 9 8

    UTG raises to $100.00, MP calls $100.00, fold, Hero raises to $500.00, SB raises to $950.00 and is all-in, fold, UTG raises to $3,500.00, fold, Hero calls $3,000.00
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    08-02-2011 , 04:04 AM
    Kinda new to this live game, it's 1-2-5. I've been pretty tight, Villain is a pretty active reg and raises from CO to 25, I call on the button with A984 and everyone else folds.

    Eff stacks 600, pot ~60.

    Flop: 755

    Villain bets 40, Hero raises to 140, villain raises to 250

    Is this an easy fold? Anyone fold the flop or just call? Any other ideas on how to play this?
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    08-02-2011 , 04:26 AM
    Just flat in position.
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    08-02-2011 , 09:22 AM
    2 hands vs. same villain, he 3bets 20% and calls 8%. check raises 29% of flops





      [hand_history]Merge, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10123152

      BB: $621 (103.5 bb)
      Hero (SB): $1,723 (287.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with A 4 A 3
      Hero raises to $18, BB calls $12

      Flop: ($36) T 2 5 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $27, BB raises to $88, Hero raises to $247, BB raises to $603 and is all-in, Hero calls $356



      hand #2

      So he's pretty stationy, doesn't really let go of top pair and such, I figure this board is dry enough to ship it in?





        [hand_history]Merge, $3/$6 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

        BB: $1,528.01 (254.7 bb)
        Hero (SB): $810.99 (135.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with 3 A A 2
        Hero raises to $18, BB raises to $54, Hero calls $36

        Flop: ($108) 2 J 7 (2 players)
        BB bets $68, Hero raises to $312, BB raises to $1,044, Hero calls $444.99 and is all-in

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        08-02-2011 , 09:36 AM
        I think youre line in hand 1 is ok but I think calling his raise and jamming over turn bets is better.

        In hand 2 you definetely have to 4bet pre. And raise/calling as played is std I guess.
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        08-02-2011 , 01:35 PM
        in hand 2 stacksizes are borderline imo and 4bet is not mandatory.
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        08-02-2011 , 03:31 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier
        2 hands where i put a lot of money in pf..



        co is an agro reg, utg is kinda fishy. bit hard to describe really but his range is def wider than AA and may shove everything he continues here (not too sure about that though). sb is a splashy fish

        CO: $9,950.00
        BTN: $4,900.00
        SB: $24,693.80
        BB: $7,069.00
        UTG: $1,782.00
        Hero (MP): $5,597.00

        SB posts SB $50.00, BB posts BB $50.00

        Pre Flop: ($100.00) Hero has 5 8 4 6

        UTG raises to $100.00, Hero calls $100.00, CO raises to $500.00, fold, SB calls $450.00, fold, UTG raises to $1,782.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $1,682.00, CO raises to $7,678.00, fold, Hero calls $3,815.00 and is all-in




        utg is an agro fish, mp standard shorty


        SB: $950.00
        BB: $5,097.00
        UTG: $24,593.80
        MP: $4,900.00
        CO: $2,322.00
        Hero (BTN): $8,086.00

        SB posts SB $50.00, BB posts BB $50.00

        Pre Flop: ($100.00) Hero has 7 J 9 8

        UTG raises to $100.00, MP calls $100.00, fold, Hero raises to $500.00, SB raises to $950.00 and is all-in, fold, UTG raises to $3,500.00, fold, Hero calls $3,000.00
        id like to hear thoughts on both hands.

        id play both like you played, but not sure if its the best play.


        @syous, i like your line on hand #1 but id 3bet smaller on flop. he made 88, id make 200ish.

        at hand #2 pre is interesting. its pretty close... few bbs less and its 4bet for sure. few bbs more and its flat for sure. meh.. i probably flat pre, and flat flop. don't like raise/get in on flop.
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        08-02-2011 , 05:36 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier
        OnGame - $20 PL Hi - Omaha - 5 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

        Hero (BB): $3,809.00
        UTG: $1,660.00
        CO: $2,600.00
        BTN: $2,000.00
        SB: $1,980.00

        SB posts SB $20.00, Hero posts BB $20.00

        Pre Flop: ($40.00) Hero has K 7 Q A

        fold, CO raises to $60.00, fold, SB calls $40.00, Hero calls $40.00

        Flop: ($180.00, 3 players) Q 7 4
        SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $140.00, SB calls $140.00, Hero?


        pf ok? lead flop? against 2 standard regs
        I'd like to hear thoughts on this hand. Check/raise seems fine given your A and K.
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        08-02-2011 , 05:52 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier
        2 hands where i put a lot of money in pf..



        co is an agro reg, utg is kinda fishy. bit hard to describe really but his range is def wider than AA and may shove everything he continues here (not too sure about that though). sb is a splashy fish

        CO: $9,950.00
        BTN: $4,900.00
        SB: $24,693.80
        BB: $7,069.00
        UTG: $1,782.00
        Hero (MP): $5,597.00

        SB posts SB $50.00, BB posts BB $50.00

        Pre Flop: ($100.00) Hero has 5 8 4 6

        UTG raises to $100.00, Hero calls $100.00, CO raises to $500.00, fold, SB calls $450.00, fold, UTG raises to $1,782.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $1,682.00, CO raises to $7,678.00, fold, Hero calls $3,815.00 and is all-in




        utg is an agro fish, mp standard shorty


        SB: $950.00
        BB: $5,097.00
        UTG: $24,593.80
        MP: $4,900.00
        CO: $2,322.00
        Hero (BTN): $8,086.00

        SB posts SB $50.00, BB posts BB $50.00

        Pre Flop: ($100.00) Hero has 7 J 9 8

        UTG raises to $100.00, MP calls $100.00, fold, Hero raises to $500.00, SB raises to $950.00 and is all-in, fold, UTG raises to $3,500.00, fold, Hero calls $3,000.00
        there are simply some hands you can never fold in plo-these are two of them. wp in both imo.
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        08-02-2011 , 10:37 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by chinaski101
        there are simply some hands you can never fold in plo-these are two of them. wp in both imo.
        thoughts on not 3-betting hand #2 preflop?
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        08-03-2011 , 05:13 AM
          $2/$4 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players

          Hero has 5 A 4 K

          Hero (SB): $802.30 (200.6 bb)
          V1 (BB): $610.40 (152.6 bb)
          V2 (BTN): $444 (111 bb)

          Preflop:
          V2 raises to $12, Hero raises to $40, V1 folds, V2 calls $28

          Flop: ($84) 6 2 8 (2 players)
          Hero bets $60, V2 calls $60

          Turn: ($204) 8 (2 players)
          Hero bets $110, V2 raises to $344 and is all-in, Hero folds

          Results: $424 pot ($1 rake)
          Final Board: 6 2 8 8
          Hero mucked and lost (-$210 net)
          V2 mucked and won $423 ($213 net)



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          How do you play the turn?

          V2 is a reg but he played nitty so far. V1 is a fish and the game is running because of him.

          I bet the turn to make him fold his draws and maybe some overpairs and this is my standard play against most opponents. Do you consider the turn card to be a good card to barrel?
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          08-03-2011 , 06:07 AM
          Can't edit my post. Do you think people bluffshove this turn if i bet smallish to make me fold AAxx?
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          08-03-2011 , 07:59 AM
          I don't think so, given the texture of the board and the price you're getting he shouldn't really expect you to fold AA.

          I do think turnbet is fine, also like your sizing. What do you think about c/r'ing flop? He could think you're giving up and stab it with a widish range, if he doesn't stab you can still take down pot on turn or win a bunch of money vs. a lower flush if club hits.
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          08-03-2011 , 11:17 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by Bullitos
          What do you think about c/r'ing flop? He could think you're giving up and stab it with a widish range, if he doesn't stab you can still take down pot on turn or win a bunch of money vs. a lower flush if club hits.
          I do that quit often on low card flops but only against more aggressive players. He played nitty until that hand so i decided to barrel.

          ty
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          08-03-2011 , 11:46 AM
          i really hate your turn bet size. You should prob bet smaller if you're gonna bet/fold, or just bet almost pot and call it off, since he'll almost never be full there.
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