Sure, but most sugar, for example, isn't vegan; most everyday items (not made from leather) aren't vegan either. It just depends on how careful you are with the term vegan. I think 99% of vegans are clueless to vegan lifestyle and are following a vegan diet for the most part instead. But yeah, it's easy to not eat meat and dairy if you want, but that's not vegan; that's a vegan diet.

If the the disconnect between our food and the natural and/or the ethics of animal treatment on farms and feedlots is the problem, finding them in the wild and killing them yourself is the solution.

There are 8 vegan restaurants within walking distance from your house? nukefromorbit.jpg

What can I say? San Diego is amazing

I don't know what you eat, but sugar is vegan. High fructose corn syrup is vegan too. Disgusting, but vegan.

You're confused. Most vegans I know are so for ethical reasons, not dietary reasons. And your definition is pretty flawed. Nothing is vegan if you want to take it there. Someone handled the fruit before you eat it, and traces of human skin/dna are on it.

Depends on how you choose to define vegan.

Right. This is what I meant when I said 99% of vegans are clueless; you seem to be more than most, however.

Most commercial sugar is refined with bone char. The char is not in the sugar, but ethical vegans do not eat or use products which were tested on animals or processed with animal ingredients, so they don't consume non-vegan sugar (yes, look it up on your peta site).

But I'm not going to get all nitty and talk about gel-caps in your meds; the medicine in the caps (or pills) that were diligently tested and retested on animals to be safe before tested on humans, or most of the products you use daily that were tested on animals before being released to the public that you're oblivious to.

Alain Ducasse ditching duck, veal and steak for largely vegetarian (pescetarian) dishes at his 3-Michelin-starred restaurant in Paris http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...asse-bans-meat http://www.nydailynews.com/life-styl...icle-1.1932467

Traitor

After much debate and thought, today I decided to become a vegetarian.

I am going to miss meat badly.

But I've done this before for a 6 month prop bet which of course I won, so I know I can do this.

ITT, we post vegetarian recipes and discuss the ethics (or not) of being a vegetarian or vegan.

Also in before tube steak jokes blah blah blah.

What are you reasons behind this?.

Because I don't like the idea that I condone mass suffering in the name of a tasty meal.

but you are okay with the mass slaughter of plants?

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lol

truth be told, I think being a vegetarian is a way better/healthier lifestyle and I would love to eventually become one

I have a tshirt that says "vegetables are people too."

Need a vegetarian containment thread.

This is kinda it...

I thought it was http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/.../other-other-topics/vegetarian-vegan-thread/

Oh I'm bad at the search function. Mods feel free to lock this and/or move posts.

By bad I'm assuming you didn't try.

This just popped up on my facebook feed

Going vegetarian is not enough. In order to avoid harming animals through your dietary choices you need to go vegan. I've been vegan a little over 2.5 years and it's the best decision I ever made

What about the medicine you've taken that has been tested on animals?
What about the medical procedures that have been tested on animals?
What shampoo do you use?
What soap do you use?
What sugar do you use?
Do you consider Red Vines licorice to be vegan?
How about Fruity Pebbles cereal?

You can consume an ovo-lacto vegetarian diet and not cause harm to animals.

All fair points, hence why I specified dietary choices. A vegan lifestyle goes far beyond not eating animal products. We don't wear leather, wool, or silk, or use soaps and skin care products that are tested on animals

You can't not cause harm to animals eating a vegetarian diet. There's as much cruelty in a glass of milk or an omelet as their is in a steak or plater of fried chicken