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Originally Posted by Chuck Bass
I flew on an Airbus, I forgot which model but one of the big Atlantic-hopping ones that have 8 seats per row (2+4+2) yesterday. We kept hearing the sound of ice cracking from approximately where the air condition wires (or pipes or whatever you call them) are, near the overhead lockers. This happened a lot early in the flight, and then randomly every 30 minutes or so for the rest of the flight. The voice was really loud, loud enough for me to think that we were going down for sure when I first heard it. What was that all about? It was pretty much unmistakably ice cracking, or... glass?
I can't imagine what this might have been. I've heard strange noises from a pneumatic system before, often due to ducting that has come loose, but never anything that could be described as ice or glass cracking.
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You told us earlier in the thread about the weather maps you have for turbulence and how you can go around storms and stuff. However you also said that pilots radio each other about turbulence: "encountered light turbulence at X location". Does the weather map only show heavy turbulence? Or is it sometimes inaccurate so that when you think it's gonna be light it sometimes surprises you and starts shaking like crazy? When planes sometimes get to those really heavy turbulences, is it ever because of the weather map not working correctly or always because the pilots just want to fly through it to save time etc?
The weather prog charts ("prog" for "prognostication") give us a rough idea of what to expect and we'll brief the flight attendants on expected turbulence en route, but everyone in the business knows that what we actually encounter can vary significantly. That's just the nature of weather systems; they change over time and sometimes it can be dramatic.
The predictions are usually fairly accurate but we often get our best information from the controllers who have talked to everyone passing through their airspace. The controllers will often even poll other flights at our request and ask them "How's your ride?" After getting the response (which we can hear too, unless the controller is working multiple frequencies), they'll tell us the altitude and relative position of the plane. If someone a few thousand feet above or below us is getting a better ride, we'll change altitudes to find that smoother air.
I've never known any pilots to purposely fly through an area of turbulence just to save time. It might not always be possible to avoid the turbulence but, given the option, we'll take a route change or altitude change for a smoother ride. Remember: we get paid by the hour.
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I have a friend who flew from Finland to Thailand a few months ago and he said they encountered a crazy 30 minute period of turbulence when backpacks where flying around from the overhead lockers, books and stuff was flying around the cabin etc, with several people getting light wounds in the cabin. The captain had said that they had flown past one of the taifuns (in case that's the wrong English word, I mean like those heavy hurricanes that have women's names). Why would they want to fly through it? Or is it because they move so fast that it's hard to predict? (I know the taifun itself doesn't reach to 37k feet but I assume the air is a bit crazy above it too).
I'm not sure how high a taifun (or typhoon) can get, but considering that thunderstorms in the U.S. can easily have tops higher than our service ceiling (42,000' for a 757; 43,000' for a 767), it's quite possible that overflying them is not feasible. I doubt they flew directly through it, but the area affected can be huge and completely circumnavigating the taifun might not be possible. I don't have any experience flying in the Far East so I'm answering out of ignorance a little here. I don't know how fast-changing these weather systems are, but I'm sure they would be using their weather radar to avoid the areas showing the greatest precipitation and turbulence.
Having things fly around the cabin and people getting injured is very serious and we wouldn't knowingly fly into such an area if their was any way at all of avoiding it (including just not taking off if we knew about it).
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I think as a semi-scared flyer that literally all of people's fears regarding turbulence are because they think they somehow come as a surprise to the crew as well. If people knew that the captains were expecting it, I don't think people would mind it that much unless it was really heavy. Is there a way to pre-announce it?
Despite weather prog charts and reports from ATC and other pilots, weather is constantly changing and we are still sometimes caught completely by surprise. When flying domestically, we'll usually check on flight conditions with each controller as we check in. Often this will be an implied question as I check in with a transmission such as "Cleveland Center, good evening, Delta 1726 at Flight Level three six zero. Light chop." Most controllers will pick up on this and respond with something like "Delta 1726, Cleveland Center. That chop will continue for another 150 miles and then it smooths out." Or they might tell us something like "I've got light to occasional moderate chop reported in my sector from three four oh to three six oh. Several aircraft have reported smooth conditions at three eight oh and above and it's available if you want it."
If the controller knows of some really significant turbulence, they'll let us know and that's when we can warn everyone in back ahead of time (and tell the flight attendants to take their seats). The light turbulence gets to be kind of a frustrating thing though, because we don't want to be crying wolf and turning the seat belt sign on and off continuously as we go from smooth air to light chop and back again every five minutes. It seems almost inevitable that as soon as we turn off the sign, the air starts getting choppy again.
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By the way, I have a friend who's the most scared of flying person I know. He's skipped trips to poker tournaments with buyins and hotels paid when the weather at the airport was bad etc. On a scale 1-5 with 5 being awfully afraid of flying, he's surely a 5. I'm going to show him his thread, I'm pretty sure it'll help him at least a bit. I used to be a 4, but after reading this all I'm somewhere in the 2,5 neighborhood. I still get scared a bit in landings/takeoffs/turbulence, but then I just remind myself of everything you've said and how the pilots know their business and everything is safe and (usually) shrug it off
It really is safe and turbulence is just more of an annoyance most of the time. When I'm riding in back, I actually don't mind light turbulence. It helps rock me to sleep. But when it starts getting moderate or worse, I'm not a big fan.