A zoo vet and a strongman both said the gorila wins by a landslide. Everything else posted in this thread is speculative garbage but if you're keeping score there is way more speculative garbage that favors the gorila winning. I think arguing for the humans is dreaming at this point.

Yes because a zoo vet knows a ton about strongmen, and a strongman knows a ton about gorillas. You win.

You understand that like football players think punting on 4th and 1 is correct, right? There is very little reason to think that the strongmen have any insight into this whatsoever. Zookeeper probably slightly more. No reason to think any of the posters in this thread would either, so I guess we're stuck with actual arguments, instead of stupid arguments from authority.

Things are materially different if its like 5-600 lbs?

LOL? How exactly is this going to come into play? Bones stronger, I get it. Muscles thicker and tougher, yep, thats important. Skin thicker? Are the strongmen gonna be giving it Indian burns? Trying to place IVs in it? If the gorilla mauls a guy, it will make basically zero difference whether his skin tears away like tissue paper or not. Skin will play no role in a fight to the death, unless you are worried about post-fight staph infections or something.

You can google it chief. And just to check -- do you know what approximately means?

hahaha. wait wait wait. Power lifting numbers aren't important in a hypothetical scenario where we are taking 12 POWERLIFTERS VS A SILVERBACK GORILLA?

HEY GUYS WAIT STOP THE INTERTUBES ARGUMENT MOJO56 NEEDS A MEASUREMENT OF PECTORAL AND CALF CIRCUMFERENCE TO SEE WHO WINS HERE.

Mojo56: still feeling nice so I'll spell this out for you. People that can bench press a lot tend to be strong. Someone who bench presses a lot tends to have better functional strength than someone who does not bench press a lot. Having 12 guys who bench press approximately half a ton pound on you will do a lot of damage. Having 12 guys who bench press 1/5 of this will likely do less damage. HENCE NOTING THE BENCH PRESS NUMBERS OF OUR TEAM OF 12 HUMANS GIVES A ROUGH IDEA OF HOW STRONG THEY ARE AND HOW EFFECTIVELY THEY CAN HURT THE GORILLA. Plus we are talking about powerlifters.... do you think their lift numbers MAY BE A TINY BIT RELEVANT?

No what is relevant is that a gorilla can balance on a bamboo shoot!@$#

Jesus ****ing Christ.

until you factor in biting...

Baintz,
Kind of important, but the humans are not 12 idle 300 pound masses of hair and muscle. Presumably they will be offering some kind of resistance.

This does not even make any sense. What on earth does a "playfighting" scenario have to do with what I wrote?

Yes if it is 1 on 1 and the gorilla offers resistance the powerlifter won't be able to push it around. Exactly like when 2 lineman go up against each other in football. They can each respectively easily move around 300+ pounds but when they are offering resistance neither will budge.

Think about what happens when a 3rd lineman decides to take out one of the lineman while he is engaged with the other one. Now think about what would happen if 11 other lineman tried to take out that one while it was engaged with another player.

Kinda easy to push that other lineman around when he is preoccupied and engaged with another player so he can't offer resistance right?

Is this the part where I'm informed gorillas actually have 12 arms so it can hold back the 12 powerlifters at once without being thrown off balance?

Mojo56, are you taking notes?

Oh wait, vhawk I think you forgot to account for waist size since bench press is obv the irrelevant measurement here.

well it doesnt hav 12 arms but its legs are like arms as they can grab as well. it only takes a second for the sb to rip an arm completely off that guy is down instantly. it could prob bite off a face instantly i mean the things have punched and cracked the glass in zoos things the engineers didnt think they could do.
the humans have 0 chance

So the gorilla is sitting on its ass with 4 powerlifters in a choke hold using its 2 arms and 2 feet?

Can you reference a single instance in the history of the world where a silverback gorilla aggressively ripped the arm off a similar sized primate in approximately one second? Why exactly would a silverback pulling on an arm rip the arm off rather than throw the powerlifter in the air? Explain the mechanics of this for me in detail, I'm really curious how this works exactly.

I wonder if you could scale down this scenario and come up with a reasonable simulation you could sort of do in real life (without the face ripping and death part). Find a person with one-third the strength and size of the SB and 12 guys with one-third the strength and size of the body builders. Try to somehow give the guy playing the SB an edge to account for the teeth, claws, feet, long arms, etc. (If he touches you with his fingertips, you have to play dead?)

Set them up in a cage fight and see what happens, at least you could see how easy the 12 guys could hold the one guy down.

multiple sources state that even a average female gorilla could pull the arm straight off a human. they routinely snap bamboo. i dont know how much u know bout bamboo but when i lived in tokyo they use it for scaffolding, ladders, and all sorts of things we use steel and aluminum for.

Link to your multiple sources please.

Also, "is capable of pulling the arm off a human" is not the same as "can pull the arm off a world class powerlifter in one second while engaged in a fight with 11 other world class powerlifters."

Just explain the mechanics to me of how it works. I'm being serious. If something pulls on my arm really hard my arm isn't coming off, my whole body is following the pull. What exactly is different about a gorilla doing the pulling?

What if there were 12 Mas Oyamas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mas_Oyama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MapyZq4YIo

Never fought a gorilla, but he supposedly fought 52 bulls bare handed (they did have ropes and nose rings though) and supposedly killed 3 of them with punches to the head.

Gorillas "snap" bamboo by biting it in the middle to weaken it. Doesn't have to be much of a weakness in the middle for it to fail.

Ok, no fight here, but this video is freaking cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8in4...eature=related

this one too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz8NQdgj-iY

f=ma is how. haven't u ever heard of somebody having their arm ripped clean off in car crash, industrial accident.
takes around 7 to 20kn to get it done.

12 powerlifters vs. a car crash/industrial accident! No more limbs! Decapitation! Perfect comparison for a gorilla fight!

Since you threw out F=ma here I gotta ask you to draw a free body diagram for these scenarios and compare it to the forces acting on your shoulder joint when the gorilla rips an arm off in one second.

Ok, and this one is really ****ing incredible (still no fighting)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...encounter.html

i cant draw worth a crap. but im looking here look at this. does it really look like the ape is trying? http://youtu.be/QfDxg0pJAX4

I mean, there is a lot of speculation in this thread for good reason, no one has video or evidence of what a fully enraged SB would be capable of. There has been stories and reports of human bodies torn to shreds found in jungles etc but still thats not surprising, I just wish we had a way to get some hard data on their strength etc and what a SB fighting another animal would really look like. (yes I know thats not nice to the animals etc.)

Haha this is great, love the guys facial expressions throughout that. Also like the glance the silverback gives him when it's walking away. Gorillas are awesome.

Yes? Unless you are some type of expert on ape body language and I'm missing something.

Edit -- if you're asking me if the orangutan could have pulled harder and ended the match sooner it looks like that is probably the case. But why did you post a video of a single small'ish sumo wrestler rather than a video of multiple elite powerlifters? And why are they playing tug of war rather than fighting?

So could someone tell me exactly how a gorilla is stopping 24 pairs of hands (attached to world class powerlifters) from gouging its eyes out within the first 30 seconds of the match?