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01-27-2012 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
jmill - some people will fight well, some people will freeze. It's not hard to find stories of either in the face of terrible danger. (So far no one has any ****ing idea whether the gorilla fights anywhere near well or just freaks out)
I agree with you, but fwiw when I said most people I meant that in part because of this specific scenario, where you have men knowingly going into thunderdome with a silverback gorilla for a fight to the death. (lol)

If it was just a group of people walking through the rainforest that got cornered by gorillas, and then the gorilla charged and ripped one of the dudes face off, I'd def expect a higher % of them to freeze up because they had no idea it was about to happen and aren't prepared at all.
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01-27-2012 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Rastamouse999
The Gorilla would win so utterly effortlessly that you'd be embarrassed to be the same species as the bodybuilders.

Anyone genuinely arguing in favour of the bodybuilders just doesn't understand or have any idea of the power of a Gorilla or indeed of powerful animals in general including the great apes.

...Probably the same kind of people who think they'd have a chance against a Rottweiler or a German Shepherd because they'll just "kick it in the head".
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01-27-2012 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by MadScientist
Micro, Bili apes are the size of gorillas. They are from the Congo, like the movie, but very little is known because of how remote their location. One has been seen eating a leopard and they are known locally to kill and eat big cats.
One on the left may be the first in captivity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4riL1EPv2VA
Holy **** these bastards are awesome.
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01-27-2012 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt R.
Seriously, do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

Props on calling me intellectually dishonest while right before that saying I was inflating the powerlifters to superhuman levels while one post later saying you know of 3 guys who have bench pressed half a ton.



hahahaha. no wait, hang on. Let me re-read the pro-gorilla 10 foot vertical 800 pound ripping arms off with a flick of the wrist posts. OK, yeah, hahahaha.



OK, so you are saying if person X benches 5 times more than person Y than we can't say anything about their respective functional strengths? Before you say BUT WAIT THAT'S RIDICULOUS OF COURSE YOU CAN, read what I actually wrote, ******. I'm not converting it to some quantitative measure of punching power.

Do you understand what it means to use an exercise as a means of estimating functional strength? If not, think about what professional football scouts do. See my bench press question posed a couple posts before this. Now think really hard and try to answer the question.



Who would you rather get pounded on by: An elite level boxer that can bench press 400 pounds or an elite level boxer that can bench 175? Yes, comparing people of equal skill and fighting technique MIGHT BE IMPORTANT HERE.
What a maroon. I would take the gorilla over you in 'Jeopardy'.

Keep believing that your pack of approximately 12 half ton benching marathon runners can defeat a gorilla.

p.s. schlucky1 already answered the NFL combine question in a much more detailed way than I would have.
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01-27-2012 , 05:59 PM
This thread has gone to dark and twisted places, by which I mean Matt. R's increasing rage and hysteria. If Microbet's not careful, he'll be next to enter the vortex.

Remember, kids: Internet + arguing + human vs. animal hypotheticals + time = brain damage.
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01-27-2012 , 06:03 PM
At least Microbet is staying calm and using logic. I might not agree with everything he says but he at least brings up some good arguments and has conceded on some points. Matt is just full blown mad as hell.
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01-27-2012 , 06:10 PM
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01-27-2012 , 06:10 PM
Well, just added that pic to the collection.
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01-27-2012 , 06:12 PM
vegetation throwing ITT
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01-27-2012 , 06:15 PM
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01-27-2012 , 06:23 PM
loooooool
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01-27-2012 , 09:45 PM
Pro-tip to the pro-gorilla droolers: typing in caps for emphasis and calling people tardboxes over the intertubes when someone cannot comprehend simple arguments such as larger bench-press tends to equal stronger person is not hysteria. Just a little frustration over the general stupidity of humanity, and trying to emphasize points of absurdity for those who have difficulty following.

Props to schlucky1 though, he has actually provided pro-gorilla arguments that do not involve superpowers. Will go back and take a look at his last couple posts, and since he seems kinda smart, I probably won't have to type in caps to point out stupid ****!
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01-27-2012 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt R.
Pro-tip to the pro-gorilla droolers: typing in caps for emphasis and calling people tardboxes over the intertubes when someone cannot comprehend simple arguments such as larger bench-press tends to equal stronger person is not hysteria. Just a little frustration over the general stupidity of humanity, and trying to emphasize points of absurdity for those who have difficulty following.

Props to schlucky1 though, he has actually provided pro-gorilla arguments that do not involve superpowers. Will go back and take a look at his last couple posts, and since he seems kinda smart, I probably won't have to type in caps to point out stupid ****!
I have a friend who is 145 lbs, and can bench more then me. I also out lift him in every other category. Thats why the bench isn't considered a measuring stick in true strength in most standards. Just saying there are better lifts that indicate strength, especially in a functional way. I am pretty sure the combine for football is more weighted towards how many reps of 215 you can do instead of a max as well, but I could be wrong there.
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01-27-2012 , 10:23 PM
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01-27-2012 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by schlucky1
This analysis of the NFL combine basically says that the bench press test is essentially useless in predicting NFL draft status: http://performancetrainingsystems.ne...t%20Status.pdf
schlucky1,
OMG U ARE SOOO STUPID. j/k! BET YOU GUYS THOUGHT I WAS MAD B/C I PRESSED CAPS LOCK. LOL!

But seriously, I don't think you are intepreting the paper accurately. Bench press would obviously be way way way less important for RBs, WRs, and DBs. Here is the relevant paragraph for our purposes:

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The regression equations were less accurate in predicting
the draft rounds of the OL and DL athletes, r2
5 0.70 and r2 5 0.59, respectively. The position requirements
of the OL and DL players are less speed
specific. Most of the testing batteries of the combine
measure speed-related abilities. Tests that were determined
to be the best predictors for the success of the
OL and DL players are height, weight, bench press,
broad jump, and 3-cone drill.
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Also, most strength coaches these days agree that the bench press is not a super useful exercise for developing strength for sports. This will shed a lot of light on things: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_..._bench_press_1
This article is basically saying the bench press is not the be-all and end-all of functional strength exercises. I agree! Never said otherwise. But to claim it is useless to the point of being completely unable to approximate functional upper body strength is silly (for instance, see my quote on linemen above from your NFL combine article). Powerlifters who can bench approximately 1K with a bench shirt or 600-700 shirtless are going to be able to push around an animal that weighs 400 pounds when it is engaged with 11 other men of similar strength.

Some excerpts from your T-Nation article as well:

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Improving strength does make you more functional, which is why we use many "general strength" exercises. And we also agree that the bench press is a great way to improve upper-body strength – which is why we use it.
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The limiting factor in the bench press is upper-body strength. But the limiting factor in the standing press actions common in sports is the coordination of your torso to create whole-body stiffness and allow your extremities (legs and arms) to create high pushing forces.
This is an excellent point! But of course it's not super relevant when the same people we are talking about can squat 1200+ pounds. OK OK, apparently only one guy was able to squat half a ton raw last year (for Mojo, so he doesn't have a hissy fit). Guys that can squat that much have ultra strong legs and torsos as well. So they can utilize that massive bench press strength at least well enough to push around 400 pounds (less than half their raw squat numbers)

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The bench press can certainly help athletes as a general strengthening exercise along with many other traditional pressing exercises. And exercises like one-arm push-ups, one-arm cable presses, and angled barbell press make great specific/functional exercises to complement the general exercises.
So the bench press is actually a really good exercises for increasing general strength! And with the right training for a specific sport, increases functional strength as well. Unfortunately there aren't too many sport specific exercises for gorilla fighting, so it looks like we'll have to use bench press numbers (on top of squat and deadlift) to show how strong these guys are. Which is what I was doing. Awesome!

It also appears they are advocating one-armed push ups as their favorite exercise. Would you guys feel better if we picked the top 12 guys that can do the most one-armed push ups in a row? (lol?)

Last edited by Matt R.; 01-27-2012 at 10:41 PM.
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01-27-2012 , 10:29 PM
Those giant chimps are scary. I'd take one of them over a gorilla or it would be close and they would be harder for a group of humans since that are much more agile.

Lagdonk, good point. I will try to keep it together. It is an awfully ridiculous thing to be arguing about.
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01-27-2012 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by caught_clean
I have a friend who is 145 lbs, and can bench more then me. I also out lift him in every other category. Thats why the bench isn't considered a measuring stick in true strength in most standards. Just saying there are better lifts that indicate strength, especially in a functional way. I am pretty sure the combine for football is more weighted towards how many reps of 215 you can do instead of a max as well, but I could be wrong there.
We are talking about powerlifters in this thread and the bench press is one of their primary competitive lifts. This is why I used it initially. This can't be that hard to understand, right?
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01-27-2012 , 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Mojo56
What a maroon. I would take the gorilla over you in 'Jeopardy'.

Keep believing that your pack of approximately 12 half ton benching marathon runners can defeat a gorilla.

p.s. schlucky1 already answered the NFL combine question in a much more detailed way than I would have.
I'd be willing to play you in Jeopardy simply by virtue of the fact I know what approximately means. I think I will avoid the silverback gorilla though. Didn't we already determine he has the strategic fighting instincts of Chuck Norris? Who knows what IQ the gorilla has.
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01-27-2012 , 10:40 PM
Matt, for all your talk about approximately, you're aware you actually did not say that, right? You added it on later when people called you out on it, right?
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01-27-2012 , 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Fabian
Matt, for all your talk about approximately, you're aware you actually did not say that, right? You added it on later when people called you out on it, right?
Fabian,
Here is my first post in the thread that mentioned bench press and 1000 pounds:

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Do you guys seriously think if a gorilla takes a few shots to the head by 12 guys who can all bench close to 1000 pounds he's not going to be phased at all? I mean, his head is made of bone and soft tissue, same as us. It's not like his bones are made of adamantium or he will start growing in size like the incredible hulk the more pissed off he gets.
Notice the "close to". You feel really silly now, right?
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01-27-2012 , 10:47 PM
Seriously, does it make you guys mad that I'm literally owning every single person that comes at me? I'm kinda like a silverback gorilla that's fighting some number of powerlifters less than 12.
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01-27-2012 , 10:51 PM
Yes I do feel kinda silly now, because it wasn't until I googled it to get an accurate number I learned that "a ton" can actually mean 2000 pounds. I had no idea, I thought it meant 1000 kilograms, like it does over here. My understanding of the situation was that your jump from "close to 1000 pounds" up to "half a ton" was what you were called out on, and I guess that's not true.

My apologies.
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01-27-2012 , 10:59 PM
NO PROBLEM!

Oops, caps lock still on. Don't want the internet wizards thinking I'm getting all furious.
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01-27-2012 , 11:10 PM
ah the metric ton!
matt im sorry but i dont think you are killing anybody sb style. i admitted the 10" vert was quickly searched and came from wiki ans that said from 5 to 10 feet. although 1 new york times article about an escape said a gorilla not only jumped the moat but also the wall which had an electric fence on top. now they said it jumped over 14ft but did not say if that was the moat or the wall but that the new wall would be 15ft. take from that what you will
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01-27-2012 , 11:37 PM
Humans are going to win if you hand select the 12 strongest people in the world. If you take 12 average male humans I would bet on the Gorilla.
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