People bluff more than you would think. Not too sure about 5NL but at 10/25NL if you give someone rope, they take it fairly often.

I think a large reason everyone thinks Zoom is filled with nits that don't bluff is that they give their opponents the chance to bluff often enough.

I see that also on NL2-5. Regs are cbetting so small, that it cries for a raise and they are calling down. If they have the nuts its fine, but they cannot fold their top pairs.

Whoever says 5nlz is filled with nits is flat out wrong , at least at fr.

I moved down from 10nl to 5nl after a big cashout and i realize that the difference between the limits is immense , i had forgot how to play at 5nl . 10nlz is the true nitfest and you beat it with aggressive preflop game , overfolding and slowplay but 5nl is exactly the opposite of this. Stealing wide can still work to an extend but not nearly as much as at 10nlz , 3betting light is simply terrible. I'd say there are nits at 5nl but the majority are spewtards , seriously if you are folding the top of your range or sometimes even less than that too often then you probably a marginal winner or a loser.

You will cry when you realize what hands they have when they play back at you , they overvalue middling stuff and they bluff a lot , much more than you think , at some spots they are pretty tight though and they are very predictable too , i didnt have reads when i moved down so i had the 10nl mindset and i couldnt figure out how to beat them , my hud doesnt have good sample either so i realized all this stuff after some trial and error.

If you do it right there is a lot of money to be made at 5nl.

Anyone offering coaching ITT who has a recent large sample at zoom? Printing cheeseburgers at 5nl, but everytime i move up to 10nl i insta drop 2 or 3 buy ins, possible run bad but we'll have to see. Would also want sweat sessions too. Pm please

10nl zoom.

50bb fish limps from MP
Sb 0/0 35 hands - no joke! raises to 10bb
Hero has AKo in bb

both hero and SB are ~200bb deep

Hero should?

Make it 25bb and call off vs fish, fold vs reg if he reisos.

If he flats the fish's jam, rejam.

If he flats could he not be trapping? Or do these type of player not do that?

Bc this deep in his position if i had AA i would flat the fish jam bc ppl only stack off with KK, AA that deep.

Most 10nl regs won't and we block AA/KK.

remember to boom if you win postflop w red AA, win free fiddys

Im approaching 130k hands of 5nl zoom (due to failed shots at nl10 and cash outs) and this is quite correct. It is not at all whatsoever full of nits, and yes people bluff - a lot. Im talking big pots, 3bet pots, flop bluffs preflop bluffs river bluffs you name it, yes they bluff.

Yes it is also true that they stack off with tpgk etc. The amount of notes I have on guys who "appear" to have decent stats, but then call down 3 barrels for their entire stack in 3bet pots, with say AT on T high flops is unreal. Along with all the guys randomly getting TT and AJ aipf. Just go and observe the games for half an hour where stars only shows the big pots, you will see that they do not always "have it". They do not fold draws, literally ever, but they are more aggressive and less stupid than nl2 which means instead of just call call call they will shove their draws.

I do disagree though that 3betting light is wrong, it depends on the opponents. Maybe you dont have as many hands on people as I do but seriously some people have a fold3bet of 80%, and the guys who 3bet the blinds wide also snap fold to 4bets 80% of the time also. Id say you're right that there's more money to be made than at nl10 (by that I mean at nl10 I think most peoples winrate will more than half making nl5 actually be more profitable even for winner). nl5 is so easy to crush, anyone care to share any nl10/nl25 zoom graphs over >150k hands at >6bb/100? thought not, 99% regs are breaking even lol

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 81 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 5.13, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 39)
SB: 102.6 BB (VPIP: 13.88, PFR: 11.48, 3Bet Preflop: 3.49, Hands: 210)
BB: 108 BB (VPIP: 21.46, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 208)
UTG: 29.8 BB (VPIP: 13.47, PFR: 8.29, 3Bet Preflop: 1.94, Hands: 398)
UTG+1: 106.4 BB
MP: 125.4 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 19)
Hero (MP+1): 100 BB
MP+2: 106 BB (VPIP: 9.52, PFR: 3.17, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 64)
CO: 127.6 BB (VPIP: 6.93, PFR: 6.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 104)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 7 BB, fold

Flop: (18.4 BB, 2 players) A 4 7
BB checks, Hero bets 8.8 BB, BB raises to 27.8 BB, Hero calls 19 BB

Turn: (74 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets 20.4 BB, BB calls 20.4 BB

River: (114.8 BB, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets 43.8 BB and is all-in, BB calls 43.8 BB



This is a typical 5nl player , i guess some of you who talk about nits might consider a different line here , really players at 5nl make plays with no logic behind them , yes they will show up with sets sometimes because they call with pocket pairs too but there is no other way , you have to take the variance to win money.

I can easily consider a fold here against a generic 10nlz villain or i would never consider to value bet this hand , i would try to induce instead.

no...

5nl is exactly a nitfest. People fold to steal way too much, people raise 99pc of the time with nutted hands, don't raise draws, if you see spaz it will be very seldom and people don't triple barrel bluff. The most spaz you see is the odd person double barrel a **** runout. You cannot get in much besides AA in pre

huh? I can count on 1 hand the number of bluffs I caught in 5nl zoom, they always bet for value. its a nitfest. I find your post really confusing.

Maybe I just got unlucky, but I would run into the nuts (or near nuts) 99.9% of the time when someone got aggressive on the turn and river.

2014 and ppl saying 5nl is nitty

lol

Who cares if they are nitty. If you can't adjust to players at 5NL, you need to work on your game.

There definitely are quite a few nits at 5NL zoom but there are just as many spewy "regs" who will bluff at any opportunity if you let them. I'd generally only start making looser call downs once I've actually seen them barrel with air or a missed draw but after that I just x to them alot with my monsters and call down lighter with my medium strength hands. Couple of examples:

After pre, KJ isn't bad on villain's part and KQ is probably okay too.

Anyone else taken to folding their BB rags when an otherwise reggy player has open limped to them?

I think it's extremely funny to deny them the 50bb credit for winning with AhAd post flop.

No, because it's so so so +EV to try and flop two pair against a range of ONE COMBO

Also its not good to deny someone from taking 50bb back out from the hole that is the poker stars rake system.

and if you find it difficult to play postflop when you know someones hand, even it is AA, then you should prob throw in the towel now

It wouldn't be difficult. It's only happened once anyway but I just felt it was +EV from a humour standpoint. I am easily amused though.

sounds like you're a fish

I prefer the term 'fun player'.

Might give this zoom thing a bit of a try again. For some reason can play for hours longer at zoom than normal tables, just not that fond of it. What's the state of 25NL compared to reg tables? I.e. super nitty? Super aggro? Spew? Passive nit fish?