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Funny you mention that Gamma, Im gonna go through this hand and stop at the turn first to see what most people do. Pre I think is fine and flop I dont see much reason to do anything else, what do you do on turn?

Not much info on UTG so I just assuming he has a fairly standard UTG opening range as he is fully stacked.

[hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14768711

BTN: $17.27 (69.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $25.78 (103.1 bb)
BB: $194.36 (777.4 bb)
UTG: $25.06 (100.2 bb)
MP: $66.52 (266.1 bb)
CO: $43.87 (175.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

UTG raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: ($1.75) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.15) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.60, Hero ?

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11-27-2012 , 02:24 PM

#7502

raikkonen3

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,805

Calling. Don't see merits in raising vs a reg, especially with the Kd.

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11-27-2012 , 02:25 PM

#7503

Dunna100

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Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 6,168

I'd say just call again. We should be ahead but what do we get value from that calls considering Aces are v unlikely, and we block Kxdd.

I think raising will fold out hands we're way ahead of, and maybe only get called by AJ or KJ if he plays that from utg.

If he has an ace he'll likely bet the river anyway, where we can then raise if we want, or we could lead and still get called by hands that may check behind but would have folded to turn raise

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11-27-2012 , 02:56 PM

#7504

AndyM2033

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,936

Ok two replies will do as it seems calling is pretty standard too on turn, which I did.

River..? Can we donk? As played what do you do here?

Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14768771

BTN: $17.27 (69.1 bb)
Hero (SB): $25.78 (103.1 bb)
BB: $194.36 (777.4 bb)
UTG: $25.06 (100.2 bb)
MP: $66.52 (266.1 bb)
CO: $43.87 (175.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K

UTG raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: ($1.75) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.15) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.60, Hero calls $2.60

River: ($9.35) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.50, Hero ?

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11-27-2012 , 03:30 PM

#7505

dillchips

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,167

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) ZOOM - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $9.54
SB: $7.84
Hero (BB): $4.98
UTG: $5.00
MP: $8.86
CO: $5.09

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has 2

UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.62, 4 players) 9

Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.62, 4 players) K

Hero bets $0.45, UTG calls $0.45, fold, fold

River: ($1.52, 2 players) 2

Hero bets $1.15, UTG raises to $3.05, Hero raises to $4.38 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.33

Hero shows 2

(Four of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 18%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
UTG shows 9

(Four of a Kind, Nines) (Pre 82%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
UTG wins $9.85

If only I played this on Merge. Bad beat Jackpot ftw.

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11-27-2012 , 03:32 PM

#7506

MonkeyWanderer

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 262

Is anybody else getting a full tilt bug occasionally when 4 tabling where it makes your seat 'reserved' and then has the message "waiting for 1 player to be seated" the the table simply never starts. Even if I close it it acts like I'm still sat there and I cannot open another 4th table until I quit full tilt and restart it where it gives me the warning "you are still seated at X table, are you sure youw ant to leave?"

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11-27-2012 , 03:34 PM

#7507

Herbbb

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 642

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Originally Posted by dillchips

UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, CO calls $0.15, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.62, 4 players) 9

Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks

Turn: ($0.62, 4 players) K

Hero bets $0.45, UTG calls $0.45, fold, fold

River: ($1.52, 2 players) 2

Hero bets $1.15, UTG raises to $3.05, Hero raises to $4.38 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.33

Hero shows 2

(Four of a Kind, Twos) (Pre 18%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
UTG shows 9

(Four of a Kind, Nines) (Pre 82%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
UTG wins $9.85

If only I played this on Merge. Bad beat Jackpot ftw.

Fold river so obvious quads, joke sick beat bro

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11-27-2012 , 04:17 PM

#7508

Queen6Suited

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Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 3,876

Quote:

Originally Posted by gamma001

calling AK OOP vs utg open is fine. You can then check/raise dry Axx and be called by loads of worse Ax because you rep nothing.

Yeah but you don't really want to raise the Axx mono flops, weakens your calling range, unbalanced, stops him barreling off (which villains should do because their range is obv stronger than a caller on Axx when they raise utg.)

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Originally Posted by AndyM2033

Ok two replies will do as it seems calling is pretty standard too on turn, which I did.

River..? Can we donk? As played what do you do here?

UTG raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: ($1.75) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.15) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.60, Hero calls $2.60

River: ($9.35) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.50, Hero ?

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Call if he bets a normal size but I probably raise to something tiny here.

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11-27-2012 , 04:41 PM

#7509

Suzukishosan

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,303

was donking around at 6max last night

what's my sizing like here? i often find myself caught between betting fairly small so he can continue with marginal hands and lol pot odds call the river and going big to look bluffier

Full Tilt - $1 NL RUSH (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $230.55
Hero (BB): $126.35
UTG: $255.45
MP: $100.00
CO: $272.80
BTN: $282.80

SB posts SB $0.50, Hero posts BB $1.00

Pre Flop: (pot: $1.50) Hero has A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $2.00, fold, Hero raises to $8.50, BTN calls $6.50

Flop: ($17.50, 2 players) 9

Hero bets $9.00, BTN calls $9.00

Turn: ($35.50, 2 players) 4

Hero bets $20.00, BTN calls $20.00

River: ($75.50, 2 players) 5

Hero bets $40.00

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11-27-2012 , 05:29 PM

#7510

Burnss

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 4,539

jam is only option. you have less then PSB bet left.....

Last edited by Burnss; 11-27-2012 at 05:29 PM. Reason: or you should of made sure you had less then a PSB n the river

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11-27-2012 , 05:55 PM

#7511

Suzukishosan

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Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,303

OK, my thinking was i'm targeting fairly weak hands 9x, 77, 88 TT, JJ. Are those hands not bailing out when i start bombing?

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11-27-2012 , 07:08 PM

#7512

Suzukishosan

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,303

vill is 19/13 with a WWSF of 1 out of 7

This is screaming nuts right? unless he's horribly overplaying something?

Full Tilt - $0.50 NL RUSH - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $37.35
SB: $50.00
BB: $113.05
UTG: $74.60
UTG+1: $50.00
UTG+2: $56.70
MP: $101.75
MP+1: $55.00
Hero (CO): $138.50

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.75) Hero has 6

fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $1.50, fold, Hero calls $1.50, fold, fold, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.75, 3 players) 6

BB checks, MP bets $5.50, Hero calls $5.50, fold

Turn: ($15.75, 2 players) 2

MP checks, Hero bets $9.50, MP raises to $25.00

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11-27-2012 , 08:33 PM

#7513

AndyM2033

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,936

Quote:

Originally Posted by Queen6Suited

Call if he bets a normal size but I probably raise to something tiny here.

Yeah that was the plan. I wanted to raise but could only see him calling with AJ, folding AQ and then getting jammed/called on by all sets (think he can still have them even with this betsize sometimes).

I called and he had AQ, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing massive value here, felt pretty nitty to flat top two on this board.

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11-27-2012 , 09:03 PM

#7514

HU4hoes

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^ he has some pretty lame turn sizing for sets

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11-27-2012 , 09:15 PM

#7515

OppositeAttract

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 2,674

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonkeyWanderer

Yes, happens often. I also have regular crashing with their software, which is really annoying.

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11-27-2012 , 09:52 PM

#7516

dillchips

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Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,167

nice EV session today at 5NL. that's excluding the hand quads vs. quads

Last edited by dillchips; 11-27-2012 at 10:08 PM.

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11-27-2012 , 10:33 PM

#7517

Mr Blonde

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Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3,751

100 rush is so soft atm its silly

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11-27-2012 , 10:35 PM

#7518

Mr Blonde

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AndyM2033

Ok two replies will do as it seems calling is pretty standard too on turn, which I did.

River..? Can we donk? As played what do you do here?

UTG raises to $0.75, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.65, BB folds

Flop: ($1.75) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.20, Hero calls $1.20

Turn: ($4.15) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2.60, Hero calls $2.60

River: ($9.35) 6

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $4.50, Hero ?

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it is very clear there exists an option on this river that is better than c/c. what exactly that is who knows, but $9 would be a start

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11-28-2012 , 08:43 AM

#7519

MonkeyWanderer

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 262

Did I play this bad? BTN has fishy stats but only a small sample 67/27/1.2 over 15 hands.

Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, Rush, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: $36.71 (146.8 bb)
SB: $95.87 (383.5 bb)
BB: $21.55 (86.2 bb)
Hero (UTG): $26.12 (104.5 bb)
MP: $10.42 (41.7 bb)
CO: $17.60 (70.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A

Hero raises to $0.75, MP folds, CO calls $0.75, BTN calls $0.75, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.60) T

(3 players)
Hero bets $1.82, CO calls $1.82, BTN calls $1.82

Turn: ($8.06) K

(3 players)
Hero bets $5.25, CO folds, BTN calls $5.25

River: ($18.56) Q

(2 players)
Hero bets $7.60, BTN raises to $15.20, Hero folds

Spoiler:

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11-28-2012 , 10:01 AM

#7520

chad0x001

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,558

he can do that with a worse T, ak, aq ETC. iD BE CALING

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11-28-2012 , 10:22 AM

#7521

gamma001

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,144

folding riv, river raises are the nuts 90% of the time. You only have trips when there are loads of hands that have you beat, flushes,straights, KT,QT,QQ,77.

edit: I don't think he will be raising straights and flushes on the river but that means he won't be raising worse than AT

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11-28-2012 , 10:24 AM

#7522

gamma001

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 4,144

you really think he is raising AQ for value on the river chad?

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11-28-2012 , 10:25 AM

#7523

chad0x001

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 8,558

hes a fish, why not?

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11-28-2012 , 10:38 AM

#7524

Big_Mick00

Verified Coach MTT

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 8,701

fold

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11-28-2012 , 10:42 AM

#7525

EasyMoney92

self-banned

Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 4,956

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Blonde

100 rush is so soft atm its silly

Oh is it? I assumed they'd be pretty dead so playing zoom and just heads up on ftp. Would be good to grind some rush to bonus whore if the games are decent.

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