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Pretty much agree with losingshark. Obviously you have to be somewhat balanced in not 3betting purely for value, not 3betting 100% or raising 100% of flops just because they are (arguably) plus EV in a vacuum.
But yeah at 50nl and 25nl, balancing 5bet ranges and turn and river ranges overall isn't necessary.

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11-19-2012 , 10:41 AM

#7253

Queen6Suited

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also ftp 100nl rush has 62 players and 145 entries, wtf. So many 40bb scum too.

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11-19-2012 , 11:20 AM

#7254

LosingShark

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Originally Posted by Burnss

well he is right

i lold

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11-19-2012 , 12:43 PM

#7255

8fpath

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 62

Finally moved back to 10nl after having to drop down a few days ago...for a few rounds I tought I was still at 5nl because most people had $5 stacks

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11-19-2012 , 02:21 PM

#7256

chad0x001

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Originally Posted by raikkonen3

I'd rather 3b/5b JJ than 4b/c JJ in that spot. Once you 3bet you can't fold to a 4bet when it's CO vs BTN so it's quite a tough spot, I'd want to call the 4bet but we'll have to make some attempt to balance our range vs regs.

Our hero bets, villain 3bets from the button. Call the 3bet do you mean? I dont think our hero has played enough hands vs the villain to worry about balancing just yet. Maybe if he had 1/2k hands?

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11-19-2012 , 03:43 PM

#7257

tiltph00n

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Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14621821

MP2: $25.85 (103.4 bb)
Hero (MP3): $26.68 (106.7 bb)
CO: $46.04 (184.2 bb)
BTN: $19.90 (79.6 bb)
SB: $25 (100 bb)
BB: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
UTG+1: $24.60 (98.4 bb)
UTG+2: $25 (100 bb)
MP1: $28.41 (113.6 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO calls $0.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.85) 3

(2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

Turn: ($3.85) K

(2 players)
Hero bets $2, CO calls $2

River: ($7.85) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO raises to $42.29 and is all-in, Hero ??

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Mehh spot, bet big to let him think i want to rep a king and he calles with worse kings or QQ JJ TT. But then he shoves? Fold? What does he have? 33 or 88?

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11-19-2012 , 03:48 PM

#7258

tiltph00n

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UTG+2: $44.15 (88.3 bb)
Hero (MP1): $50 (100 bb)
MP2: $50 (100 bb)
MP3: $311.50 (623 bb)
CO: $54.35 (108.7 bb)
BTN: $67.40 (134.8 bb)
SB: $51.35 (102.7 bb)
BB: $87.65 (175.3 bb)
UTG+1: $47.25 (94.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K

2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, MP2 calls $1.50, 4 folds, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.75) J

(3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.85, MP2 calls $2.85, BB folds

Turn: ($10.45) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP2 raises to $15, Hero folds

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What to do when you dont got any stats?

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11-19-2012 , 03:49 PM

#7259

gamma001

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Originally Posted by chad0x00

Our hero bets, villain 3bets from the button. Call the 3bet do you mean? I dont think our hero has played enough hands vs the villain to worry about balancing just yet. Maybe if he had 1/2k hands?

We were talking about what would happening if I was in his shoes. would we 3bet/tbet JJ vs me

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11-19-2012 , 03:56 PM

#7260

gamma001

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@ tilt
H1 perfect the whole way through and he ran into 99 or 88. His raise range just crushes you OTR. He reps very thin but 99% of people don't have a bluff range there.
H2 pretty much same as hand 1. Would bet a lot larger on the flop vs an unknown. I dont think his range changes a whole lot if you bet 2.85 or 4.25. OTT its a fold since you don't beat a whole lot. You might occasionally fold the best hand(maybe a funkily play AJ or QQ) but he is so weighted towards sets here.

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11-19-2012 , 04:07 PM

#7261

HU4hoes

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Come on, given that you are at 25nl you should know that turns just an easy fold without any stats/reads

Just don't be a hero

I'd also bet flop and turn a lot bigger

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11-19-2012 , 05:21 PM

#7262

cha4zz

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Villain is 100/0 over 4 hands. Thoughts? Villains range is so polarised, it's either 66 or a bluff imo. Who on earth is jamming a jack here that isn't raising the flop?

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Hero ($10.58)
BB ($8)
UTG ($13.07)
UTG+1 ($3.80)
CO ($10.36)
BTN ($24.99)

Dealt to Hero K

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

FLOP ($0.60) 9

Hero bets $0.45, BB calls $0.45

TURN ($1.50) 9

Hero bets $1, BB raises to $7.25 (AI), Hero ???

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11-19-2012 , 05:30 PM

#7263

gamma001

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Who says a J raises the flop? you can include almost all Js in his range on the turn. most likely hes a fish sees he has 3 jacks and shoves. 100/0 tells us he is probably never bluffing.

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11-19-2012 , 05:39 PM

#7264

Big_Mick00

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why is he not raising 66 on flop? always a bluff surely snap.

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11-19-2012 , 05:53 PM

#7265

Dunna100

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Making hero calls against unknowns isn't the best way to make money imo

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11-19-2012 , 06:01 PM

#7266

GutshotDan92

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Your trying to assign a super narrow range to a player you have 4 hands on...

As dunna says, hero calls vs unknowns is not the right way to go.

Plus, I don't think jx auto raises the flop but can happily jam the turn.

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11-19-2012 , 06:37 PM

#7267

cha4zz

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Originally Posted by GutshotDan92

I guess that maybe i'm over analysing things, but if I had Jx on that board which is reasonably wet, there's no way I'm flatting a bet on the flop and effectively allowing my range (which is pretty much ATC in an unopened pot from the SB) to improve.

His hand to me could be something in the region of 9x with a flush draw, 6x with a flush draw, 66, sometimes Jx and air. Aside from the point that there is definitely easier money to be made at 10nl rush, his range must make the decision slightly harder than first thought? Or is my thinking incorrect?

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11-19-2012 , 07:00 PM

#7268

Dunna100

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Theoretically, if he's playing a flush or set aggro then that's far more likely otf imo, not when board pairs and we could have a Jack ourselves.

But...we have 4 hands on a 100 vpip player. How can u assign him a range? He could be a fish. He could have had the nuts every hand. He could be a 50nl player dropped down for lolz, or tilting. Who knows.

For these reasons, i fold 2ndP here all day, and don't give it a second thought

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11-19-2012 , 07:11 PM

#7269

cha4zz

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Fair enough. I folded here anyway, but was playing devils advocate because I thought it was an interesting spot and wanted people's view on whether this would ever be profitable or not.

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11-20-2012 , 08:11 AM

#7270

IndigoMD91

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awesome
Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $1.14
SB: $1.07
BB: $2.00
UTG: $1.97
Hero (MP): $4.51
CO: $2.65

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with K

1 fold, Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, SB raises to $1.07 all in, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.99

Flop: ($2.16) T

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($2.16) 9

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($2.16) 3

(2 players - 1 is all in)

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BTN: $0.90
SB: $5.01
BB: $2.07
Hero (UTG): $1.93
MP: $1.50
CO: $2.00

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with K

Hero raises to $0.08, MP calls $0.08, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.19) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, MP calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.43) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.02, Hero calls $0.02

River: ($0.47) 5

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.28, Hero calls $0.28

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11-20-2012 , 08:20 AM

#7271

getmeoffcompletely

old hand

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No money in 5NL. Everyone's solid.

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11-20-2012 , 09:27 AM

#7272

gamma001

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nice redline for 5NL

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11-20-2012 , 09:54 AM

#7273

Queen6Suited

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Originally Posted by getmeoffcompletely

No money in 5NL. Everyone's solid.

I have heard this statement exactly 0 times lifetime.

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11-20-2012 , 10:09 AM

#7274

khangura175

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lol man, 1600 hand session?

At least post a lolsy marathon session

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11-20-2012 , 10:41 AM

#7275

tiltph00n

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Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 162

Full Tilt, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14633681

UTG+1: $25 (100 bb)
UTG+2: $21.62 (86.5 bb)
MP1: $10.26 (41 bb)
MP2: $42.63 (170.5 bb)
Hero (MP3): $30.87 (123.5 bb)
CO: $26.84 (107.4 bb)
BTN: $40.52 (162.1 bb)
SB: $36.17 (144.7 bb)
BB: $25 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K

4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB raises to $3.75, Hero raises to $8.25, 2 folds, BB calls $4.50

Flop: ($18) 9

(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18,

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Fine? Pre I 4bet because he had some squeezy stats and i got blockers. He tought about calling pre a few seconds, then he almost insta checks the flop. So I put him on KK or AA think he never flats AK or QQ oop.

But mostly i shoved flop because he insta checks the flop.

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