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05-06-2023 , 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CONSPIR4CY
Hello, I have a question about raising in NLHE. I'm a beginning losing player. I really don't understand raising in general. I heard of the concept, small hand, small pot so because I can always get beaten by sets or 2 pair why raise? E.g. if I have top pair top kicker on the flop, what the point in raising someones bet if they can have a set or two pair? Don't I just want to get to the showdown and see if I'm good?
That sort of hand is always tricky to play effectively post, but you can't play timidly just because you fear someone might be beating you right now, dependent on the opponent and their range you want to be taking the initiative.
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05-06-2023 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by CONSPIR4CY
Hello, I have a question about raising in NLHE. I'm a beginning losing player. I really don't understand raising in general. I heard of the concept, small hand, small pot so because I can always get beaten by sets or 2 pair why raise? E.g. if I have top pair top kicker on the flop, what the point in raising someones bet if they can have a set or two pair? Don't I just want to get to the showdown and see if I'm good?
On a fairly basic level when you have the best hand you want more money in the pot

Whether top pair top kicker is strong enough for that is situational, but as you get more towards two pair + territory raising flops as a rule of thumb is normally a pretty good idea

Just remember that the smaller the pot the weaker your opponent's range is going to be on average, so the weaker a hand you need to want to make the pot bigger
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05-06-2023 , 12:14 PM
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That sort of hand is always tricky to play effectively post, but you can't play timidly just because you fear someone might be beating you right now, dependent on the opponent and their range you want to be taking the initiative.
Thanks for your inpout. My thinking about that has been:

- If I do raise the bet and then the opponent calls then our stack to pot ratio is getting smaller and we are both getting closer to pot commitment. I'm trying to avoid going all in with top pair so raising seems to go against this.
- If he calls the raise and then fires out another bet and I just call the next street rather than raise again doesn't that look weak? If I raise again isn't that putting in too much with a top pair hand?
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05-07-2023 , 09:33 AM
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That's a graph of the range vs. range interaction, which I'm assuming is moot because the BB shouldn't really ever have 35o.

Also, you would type out of position as OOP. OP stands for Original Poster. "don't there a tiny cross here" also doesn't mean anything. Maybe you can try retyping your question or giving us more information from where you pulled this.
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i have no idea what that image is meant to show, it's meaningless. elaborate on what point you are trying to make with it please


I apologize for the bad presentation. After all, the question was pretty simple and didn't need more background information.

QQ has a range advantage of the described number of about 83% against the villain's range. And there is 35o, which has equity of about 75% against Hero's QQ range. I figured it out too, a few hours after posting this.

Thanks for answering. Asking and answering make the brain work harder.
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05-07-2023 , 09:45 AM
Question the difference between the MonkerSolver's "range" and "strategy range"?

(Heads-up) IP: opens, OP: 3-bet, IP: 4-bet all-in. The solver provides two ranges for all-in betting (range & strategic range). What is the difference between them? Image below."

Thanks!

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05-07-2023 , 01:19 PM
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Question the difference between the MonkerSolver's "range" and "strategy range"?

(Heads-up) IP: opens, OP: 3-bet, IP: 4-bet all-in. The solver provides two ranges for all-in betting (range & strategic range). What is the difference between them? Image below."

Thanks!


It appears that the solver arbitrarily adjusts the strategic range to make it lighter for the human mind. The issue I see here is that the strategic range is significantly broader (12.6%) compared to the GTO range calculated with my parameters (4.5%).
There might be something I don't understand for some reason. Thank you for your help in advance.
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05-07-2023 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by konnak
It appears that the solver arbitrarily adjusts the strategic range to make it lighter for the human mind. The issue I see here is that the strategic range is significantly broader (12.6%) compared to the GTO range calculated with my parameters (4.5%).
There might be something I don't understand for some reason. Thank you for your help in advance.
Strategy is the % you perform that action right now, with that hand. Range takes into account all previous actions you made, and shows the % of that hand still in your range.

I found the answer myself! Hopefully someone else will benefit from this.
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05-18-2023 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CONSPIR4CY
Thanks for your inpout. My thinking about that has been:

- If I do raise the bet and then the opponent calls then our stack to pot ratio is getting smaller and we are both getting closer to pot commitment. I'm trying to avoid going all in with top pair so raising seems to go against this.
- If he calls the raise and then fires out another bet and I just call the next street rather than raise again doesn't that look weak? If I raise again isn't that putting in too much with a top pair hand?
In this situation, you have a very good hand in a post-flop. It's a good strategy to use bet sizes that you think your opponent could maximally call. ( In poker terms you make a value bet). Of course, you want the stack-to-pot ratio to get smaller so your opponent has to call even when drawing dead.
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05-22-2023 , 12:39 PM
I am horrible at search on this site. I bought a new phone and have lost some bookmarks. Can anyone provide the link to these three posts?: 1) AcePlayerDeluxe about decision making and why we knowingly make the wrong ones. 2) (poster unknown. Gman?) about how nothing matters, in this round, in this hand, in this session. 3) (poster unknown) about treating the other players as your customer and not being an *******. Poster mentions (getting free tickets?, invite to home games? ). Any help is appreciated.
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05-22-2023 , 09:16 PM
Hi i was on this forum about a year ago but i didnt post very much, I am not new to poker because i ve been playing it for about 10 years now and for the first 9 years i ve been playing mostly MTT's. For the last year i ve been playing cash games. I recently bought holdem manager to get more serious about it but honestly i dont know what alot of those stats mean. I noticed the beginner stats thread seems kind of dead, is that place still a good place to have your stats reviewed? I want to have my stats reviewed to see where my leaks are. What stats should i post in that thread? thanks.
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05-23-2023 , 10:50 AM
Stats thread will be the place for you. It may take a few days.....
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05-29-2023 , 05:31 PM
Why is poker at the card room so uptight when it comes to a bit of good natured smack talking? Whether it's in the military, frat house, or a home game; a little ribbing is acceptable. Even at the home games I played that were 2/5 deep stacked it was acceptable. It wasn't uncommon for a player that just lost a big pot to be asked for his now empty rack(s) by another player since he didn't need them anymore. But sit at a table at the casino and crack a joke like that and at minimum people will think you're an *******. I grew up playing Spades, Hearts,and Dominoes. Smack talk was not just acceptable,it was expected.
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05-30-2023 , 04:12 AM
Because what you describe doesn't sound like good natured at all, it sounds like you're being an *******? Besides, you don't tap the bowl, that's the first ****ing rule of poker
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05-30-2023 , 10:31 AM
If there are (for instance) 4 players in a pot on the turm. Blinds are 2/5. The first two players check. The third player puts in a $25 chip without saying anything. Should this be treated as a bet to $25 or a bet of $5?
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05-30-2023 , 11:17 AM
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If there are (for instance) 4 players in a pot on the turm. Blinds are 2/5. The first two players check. The third player puts in a $25 chip without saying anything. Should this be treated as a bet to $25 or a bet of $5?
$5
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05-30-2023 , 11:41 AM
$25
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05-30-2023 , 12:13 PM
$15... split the difference?

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OK, was kinda waiting for anyone to answer $25....... It depends is probably the correct answer. Where I play, undeclared chip is a call. In other places, it's face value.
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05-31-2023 , 04:05 AM
Not sure how it can be a call when the only action before us is check-check though
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05-31-2023 , 07:23 AM
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$15... split the difference?

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OK, was kinda waiting for anyone to answer $25....... It depends is probably the correct answer. Where I play, undeclared chip is a call. In other places, it's face value.
I mostly play in home games and we will go with intended action and take it as a $25 bet.....especially where the player has $5 chips which they would obviously use if wanting to bet $5.....I was just curious what the 'correct' ruling should be and if it is to be a 1BB bet how commonly this would be enforced
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06-02-2023 , 01:33 AM
for NLH and PLO I just want to run hand xx or hand xxxx into the odds and see what ands do what %s either against each other or against open range etc
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06-05-2023 , 09:10 AM
I just cashed out my roll and was looking into investing into improving my game. I consider myself a beginner player that has casually played on and off for years. Your typical "feel" newbie that wants to develop a more nuanced understanding of the game. Over the past two months I've done a lot better at poker than I ever have via winning four separate $10-15 buyin MTTs and feel that maybe with some study I can play more regularly.

Looking into buying a solver as I am trying to learn to be a solid cash game player but was wondering what people's thoughts were on generally "when" during one's learning process of poker it makes sense to invest in one? Also how to get started on studying on a solver. Although I enjoy the MTTs I do not think I can sustain the variance if I truly grinded them and hope to develop a decent cash game with enough practice.

I'd essentially just plug in hands from my hand histories and plug away at the outputs vs mine (not in a black and white manner ofc) daily? And over time with more research/time with the product adding layers of depth to analysis. Does anybody have any suggested resources to look at when completely green?
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06-05-2023 , 05:57 PM
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I just cashed out my roll and was looking into investing into improving my game. I consider myself a beginner player that has casually played on and off for years. Your typical "feel" newbie that wants to develop a more nuanced understanding of the game. Over the past two months I've done a lot better at poker than I ever have via winning four separate $10-15 buyin MTTs and feel that maybe with some study I can play more regularly.

Looking into buying a solver as I am trying to learn to be a solid cash game player but was wondering what people's thoughts were on generally "when" during one's learning process of poker it makes sense to invest in one? Also how to get started on studying on a solver. Although I enjoy the MTTs I do not think I can sustain the variance if I truly grinded them and hope to develop a decent cash game with enough practice.

I'd essentially just plug in hands from my hand histories and plug away at the outputs vs mine (not in a black and white manner ofc) daily? And over time with more research/time with the product adding layers of depth to analysis. Does anybody have any suggested resources to look at when completely green?
When to buy a solver would be a function of a few primary things:

1. goals

2. time horizon

3. exposable income

The higher (1), (2), and (3) are the more reasonable it is for you to invest in a solver and other software/coaching. There a number of free youtube videos online where you could likely sift through and learn in combination with posting on forums/networking/fiddling with it on your own. Otherwise, you would likely purchase 1-2 coaching sessions going over the software and giving you ideas on how to best utilize it.

GTO+ is the cheapest option ~$75 (I think)

Other option would be PIOsolver. First version is ~$250, second is $500 which allows aggregation analysis and comes with two licenses (could technically split the cost with someone if there is some level of mutual trust/communication). PIOsolver is more universally utilized by players at higher stakes and as such I'd argue you'll find more videos/support/utilization/etc. with that. Getting your feet wet so to speak with GTO+ also fine.

Other alternatives would be online solvers or solved databases such as deepsolver or gtowizard.

If you do not currently have many hands at cash games, I'd strongly suggest just playing 50k hands and seeing if it's something you're really going to pursue long term or not before proceeding with purchases.
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06-05-2023 , 08:09 PM
I really appreciate your thoughtful response! Gives me something to chew on.
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06-11-2023 , 04:15 PM
When I took a gander at 10 NL ACR ZOOM it seemed people would often squeeze for 11 bb if there was just one initial RFI for 2.5 bb. So are they mentally raising for 8.5 + 2.5 per caller? What is the logic behind the bet sizing? Ive tried it back at 2 NL and found it more effective at defending my small blind but would love to know more detail.

Or perhaps that its a bad bet sizing period. I just assume its because you'd want to bet bigger OOP and that it gives awkward odds to some of the more middling hands in their range. I guess if they call when you have a more marginal hand in SB you'd just slow down on the flop perhaps even check down and give up if its too wet. I also noticed people would use the same large 11 bb sizing whether in position or OOP so I am probably wrong.

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06-12-2023 , 06:51 AM
who will win the pot..?

Tom 9 diamond 4 heart

philip Q heart 5 club

jack 5 heart 2 diamond


community cards


6 heart
4 club
Q club
3 club
5 spade

i am new to poker....some one help me to read winning hands....
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