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01-28-2016 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by parandy
I am just trying to figure out poker math I was reading this article, it first tells about how you can calculate the long way(that what I like to say) and then it shows the rule of 4 and 2, what I want to know, which rule is better? If I am playing live or online which method is better for playing poker? Which method is more effective? What is better for Mircostakes, Midstakes and high stakes? I can do the rule of 4 and 2 better and more quicker.

https://www.cardschat.com/odds-for-dummies.php
This depends on what you want out of poker. If you want to make some money, knowing the exact numbers is always better than using a rule to estimate. If you just want to do it for fun and maybe lose just lose a little or break even, estimating is OK. If you play live there will be a lot more estimating than online, where you have numbers on the screen and a calculator on your computer.

I play full-time, mostly live, and I use flash cards to remember things exactly. I don't look at a flush draw and think that my odds are "about 4 to 1", I know that they are exactly 4.11 to 1, so most of the time if i'm getting almost exactly 4 to 1 it's a fold for me, especially if I'm last to act.

Last edited by Poker Clif; 01-28-2016 at 01:36 AM. Reason: I totally screwed up the section on live v. online and had to rewrite it so it made sense.
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01-28-2016 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Poker Clif
... so most of the time if i'm getting almost exactly 4 to 1 it's a fold for me, especially if I'm last to act.
What about implied odds?
Especially, when your last to act and won't get priced out.

Last edited by outfit; 01-28-2016 at 02:10 AM.
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01-28-2016 , 02:12 AM
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What about implied odds?
Sure, sometimes you can't go just with the math. You could catch a tell, implied odds might be large, or there could be other considerations. But if you're last to act, there are no implied odds.
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01-28-2016 , 02:38 AM
Future streets. When you hit that flush.
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01-28-2016 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Poker Clif
This depends on what you want out of poker. If you want to make some money, knowing the exact numbers is always better than using a rule to estimate. If you just want to do it for fun and maybe lose just lose a little or break even, estimating is OK. If you play live there will be a lot more estimating than online, where you have numbers on the screen and a calculator on your computer.

I play full-time, mostly live, and I use flash cards to remember things exactly. I don't look at a flush draw and think that my odds are "about 4 to 1", I know that they are exactly 4.11 to 1, so most of the time if i'm getting almost exactly 4 to 1 it's a fold for me, especially if I'm last to act.
Thanks for reply Clif, couple of questions:

We use the rule of 4 and 2 to calculate the numbers of outs, when we look at the two methods that are used in that cards chat blog, the numbers come out almost exactly the same, they are off only by 2% or 3%, there is only a difference when there are lots of outs, so does that not mean that the rule of 4 and 2 is just as good as the other method?

2nd question, does cash game math different from tournament math?
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01-28-2016 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by parandy
Thanks for reply Clif, couple of questions:

We use the rule of 4 and 2 to calculate the numbers of outs, when we look at the two methods that are used in that cards chat blog, the numbers come out almost exactly the same, they are off only by 2% or 3%, there is only a difference when there are lots of outs, so does that not mean that the rule of 4 and 2 is just as good as the other method?

2nd question, does cash game math different from tournament math?
1. I'm not an expert on the rule of 2 and 4. I decided from the beginning that I would memorize odds and outs, and I used this chart:

http://www.pokersyte.com/texas_holdem_poker_odds_6.htm

But I do know that there are some problems using the rule with a large number of outs. I suggest that you Google "poker rule of 2 and 4" and look at some of those articles.


2. Yes, tournament math is different. Odds are still odds, and outs are still outs, and the numbers don't change. What changes is that you have to take engame situations into account.

You might have to play a tournament for several hours before you make it to the money. While you're playing, players are getting knocked out and the blinds are going up. If you're short stacked, you can't reload (except sometimes early in a tournament with rebuys.)

Here is an explanation of some of the things that change:

One area that I feel players, even good players, fail to understand when the blinds escalate is calling for pot odds with live cards. Final table action, with its disproportionate blinds, will force players to make moves like raising and re-raising with nothing just to avoid being blinded out. You have to think of your plays at this stage in terms of "raising to take the pot, but calling for pot odds". I think there are very few players today who truly understand "end game math".

And here is the entire article, which is quite long:

http://www.toppoker.org/poker-hands/...e-math-dm.html
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01-29-2016 , 09:48 PM
How do I filter for full ring in PT4?

Bonus questions, how do I filter for HU, for 6 max?
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02-01-2016 , 08:39 AM
Even though i have 2connections i got disconnected for more than 10 minutes yesterday.
I have tried to figure out how this was possible. If were assuming that both werent out on the exact same moment, why wouldnt i get connected again? in the past i have never been disconnected for more than 30 sec.

Is there any reason why you should be connected to only one or both connections at the same time?

Lets say your only connected to one connection, if it gets disconnected would you have to reconnect on the same connection?
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02-02-2016 , 07:50 PM
I just started playing poker again after about a 1-2 year break where I left off playing pretty casually but beating NL50 over a small sample (~50k hands). Currently I'm playing and beating (over a very small ~100h sample) 1/2 live full time at my local casino as from what I read that was most likely the most profitable game for me to be playing. Besides monitoring and posting in the llsnl section of the forums the only resources I have used and still use are old bluefirepoker videos, mostly Phil Galfond's stuff. I'm just wondering if anyone thinks it would be worthwhile for me to spend the $100 a month on a runitonce membership, or if what I'm doing right now is good enough for the softer live games. Thanks!
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02-02-2016 , 08:00 PM
1. I used to lurk a lot more frequently a few years ago - why are there no more final table sweat threads in MTTc anymore?

2. What happened to full tilt poker? Can somebody please give a solid breakdown of what has happened that meant it now has 50-100 players in a peak time mtt, compared to 1000+ a while back

3. I used to use pokertracker 3. What's the best tool to use nowadays?
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02-03-2016 , 02:53 AM
In the book easy game, Andrew seidman says opening A9o is bad utg because 7% of hands beat it, and therefore in FR, 56% of the time you're beat, because 8*7 = 56%. This isn't right is it?

I don't know much about combinatorics, but I'm pretty sure it's[ not ( you beat all hands )] = 1 - (93/100)^8 = ~44%. Which in itself is probably bad if you're not a god at poker and cause you have the 3rd worst seat at the table.
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02-03-2016 , 03:36 AM
if it's wrong, it's not wrong by as much as you think, given that utg+1 waking up with 32o slightly improves the chances of utg+2 getting ATo or better. kind of silly to think in those sorts of terms though
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02-04-2016 , 05:18 PM
Poker Stars Freeroll No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t125/t250 Blinds + t25 - 9 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: t14440 M = 24.07
BTN: t45 M = 0.07
SB: t7920 M = 13.20
Hero (BB): t2840 M = 4.73
UTG: t6971 M = 11.62
UTG+1: t17442 M = 29.07
UTG+2: t41185 M = 68.64
MP1: t28205 M = 47.01
MP2: t905 M = 1.51

Pre Flop: (t600) Hero is BB with 6 3
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t250, 3 folds, CO calls t250, BTN calls t20 all in, SB calls t125, Hero checks

Flop: (t1245) Q T J (5 players - 1 is all in)
SB bets t250, Hero raises to t2565 all in, UTG+1 folds, CO folds, SB calls t2315

Turn: (t6375) 2 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: (t6375) 4 (3 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: t6375
BTN shows K A (a flush, King high)
SB shows T Q (a flush, Queen high)
Hero shows 6 3 (a flush, Queen high - Six higher)
Hero wins t6050
BTN wins t325


Hi, I don't know if it is right thread to ask such question but will do.
I am newbie, just learned some game mechanics but I cannot understand why I have won this pot.

Community cards were obviously flush and for my best outcome I would use flop cards and my hole cards.

My opponent would also use flop cards his Kh and 4h, right?

On PokerStars it showed me on river that I have 0% chances to win, which I acknowledged, then system proceeds to give me almost whole pot and some small percent to the other guy.

For sure I am missing something. Apologies in advance I have not read whole FAQ yet.

What decides the outcome here?
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02-04-2016 , 05:53 PM
The player won the pot he was eligible for. He was all in preflop for 20 chips, and so cannot win more than 20 chips off you or any other player. You win the side pot vs the SB.
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02-05-2016 , 01:42 AM
Sorry if this is the wrong thread but what is a decent winrate in terms of bb/100 at 2NL & 5NL in 2016?
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02-05-2016 , 03:35 AM
a positive one. this is surely in the faq, and decent is a meaningless word
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02-05-2016 , 12:58 PM
How to set the same decimals in bet sizing on pokerstars, so when you scroll the mouse it keeps the same number of cents after the decimal point.

PS: I saw that in a Sauce123 video.
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02-05-2016 , 02:51 PM
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How to set the same decimals in bet sizing on pokerstars, so when you scroll the mouse it keeps the same number of cents after the decimal point.

PS: I saw that in a Sauce123 video.
Either TableNinja or StarsHelper, not sure which. It's not a feature which is built into the client.
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02-06-2016 , 07:13 AM
there is an entire staking forum, not that anyone is going to stake someone who signed up this week and his first post is whining about variance in PLO
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02-06-2016 , 07:50 AM
Can you post the link to the thread with the definitions for all the abbreviations people use on this forum?

Thanks
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02-06-2016 , 07:55 AM
it's in that big, obviously highlighted, sticky thread called the FAQ
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02-06-2016 , 09:15 AM
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Do you think there are people who would stake a darkhorse... I have made a serious analysis on Omaha 10PL Zoom games and the players there are terribly weak. I figure I could make as much as $50 a day playing on 2 tables only. But I have never had the roll to try... Best I have ever had is $50 only and then all you need is a bit of bad variance and your roll is bust. Yesterday I had a guy call my all in shove for 260bb on the turn with Kh7h7d8s on a 2s3d8s9d board... I had 9dTdTsJs for an over pair and double suiters and open ended and I knew he had nothing and yet he called and hit a clean 8 on the river to take it... Would love to get a stake... But understanding all this staking stuff is not that easy, maybe someone can help me.

Thanks
Start at PLO2 but this post will put anyone sane off staking you. Why have you only ever had $50?
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02-18-2016 , 03:35 AM
What is better for me may not be better for you. Care to share more specifics?
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02-18-2016 , 07:52 PM
Is there a way to add a note for an entire session in PT4, or only individual hands within the session?
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02-18-2016 , 08:14 PM
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Is there a way to add a note for an entire session in PT4, or only individual hands within the session?
hands only afaik but I personally don't use it often as I work for the HM2 side of the company.
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