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06-15-2012 , 05:15 AM
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there's no way I'll play them as it'll presumably be nigh on impossible to get good volume in with them
what? how does this make sense? zoom is faster,so u'll get more volume in
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06-15-2012 , 05:22 AM
you ever try playing more than 4 tables of rush/zoom at the same time?
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06-15-2012 , 05:51 AM
what's the latest PS client version? 5.876?
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06-15-2012 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lien
what's the latest PS client version? 5.876?
my .com shows 5.957
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06-15-2012 , 07:28 AM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
yeah this is a good reply, sorry if my initial post was a little douchey by the way. I'm just passionately anti-zoom tournaments, there's no way I'll play them as it'll presumably be nigh on impossible to get good volume in with them and I don't use a HUD. But they'll steal players from the regular pools, especially recreational players
No need to apologize, though it was a fair question and I understand your concern.

For me it is the other way around, I need zoom tournaments so I can finally get more volume in playing tournaments (regular speed blind levels) since I am not a very gifted multitabler.

As far as recreational players moving to zoom tournaments:

Do you play tournaments because of the huge player fields or because of the reg/fish ratio? Would it be a problem for you if the fields are 25% smaller but the reg/fish ratio stays the same? Yes more recreational players will move to zoom tournaments but also some regulars.

Are there people who play non-zoom cash and think the games have become tougher because the reg/fish ratio has become worse due to more recreational players have moved to zoom while the regulars kept playing non zoom?

ps love your avatar/username combo.
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06-15-2012 , 07:46 AM
I'm more concerned about traffic in MTSNGs to be honest. The 45-man Rush On Demand SNGs on FTP were extremely popular (and no doubt very profitable for competent regs), but even the most extreme mass tablers were only able to play 6-8 at a time afaik. So while Rush/Zoom is great for maximising your hands/hour, it definitely reduces your games/hour, which is obviously the more important figure for a tournament player.

I'd therefore continue to grind non-zoom MTSNGs, but they'd run less frequently as the player pool migrates to Zoom, and the reg/fish ratio would surely suffer too as the supernova volume grinders all stick to non-zoom (though admittedly some of the smarter/better players may be happy to pick off the fish in the zoom games instead)

Hopefully that explains my opposition to Zoom tournaments. Another factor is the fact that I'm old and naturally averse to change I'm now slightly tilted as I've used the word ZOOM at least 10 times in this post, and it's an annoying word.
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06-15-2012 , 12:11 PM


Is it possible to add a function like:

"Report player [PLAYERNAMES] for violating Pokerstars rules -> [VIOLATION]"

The [PLAYERNAMES] and [VIOLATION] would be dropdown-boxes, the "Playernames" would contain the names of the players at the table, and "violation" a few possible violations.

Would make it way easier to report players who for example are instantly going on sitout once another player at the table wents on sitout.

Your support doesn't need to check every report, but once a player hits a certain amount of reports, you can go over it and react.
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06-15-2012 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by CivSTAR


Is it possible to add a function like:

"Report player [PLAYERNAMES] for violating Pokerstars rules -> [VIOLATION]"

The [PLAYERNAMES] and [VIOLATION] would be dropdown-boxes, the "Playernames" would contain the names of the players at the table, and "violation" a few possible violations.

Would make it way easier to report players who for example are instantly going on sitout once another player at the table wents on sitout.

Your support doesn't need to check every report, but once a player hits a certain amount of reports, you can go over it and react.
I'd appreciate this function, too. It sucks to report players for sitting out when fish sit out and then, some minutes later, when a pokerstars guy looks at that table, the guy sitting-out isn's sitting-out anymore.
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06-15-2012 , 01:00 PM
Run It Twice

Anyone who has been on a stretch running >50 buy ins below EV knows that poker variance can be too much.

Please please RIT
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06-15-2012 , 01:46 PM
No ty. You realise that's part of what makes the game beatable. Maybe RIT would be good but I don't think that's a good reason for it.
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06-15-2012 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Yngwie Malmsteen
No ty. You realise that's part of what makes the game beatable. Maybe RIT would be good but I don't think that's a good reason for it.
RIT only kicks in if both players have checked the option to use it. So gamblers/ weaker players generally don't need or won't bother to use it.

But for reg v reg allins it is useful for reducing variance. One day you will run 80 buy ins below EV on Stars and then you may crave for the RIT days of FT...
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06-15-2012 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Yngwie Malmsteen
No ty. You realise that's part of what makes the game beatable. Maybe RIT would be good but I don't think that's a good reason for it.
RIT doesn't change equities and technically doesn't even change variance. All it does is it takes your RIT hands, splits the pots in half and attributes each half to a separate hand, effectively doubling the number of hands played, thus pushing you towards the long run faster.

For example:

Without RIT, 1 hand, 50% equity, 200bb pot:
  • Your share is 100bb of 1 pot.

With RIT, 1 hand, 50% equity, 2x 100bb pots
  • Your share is 50bb of pot 1
  • Your share is 50bb of pot 2
  • 50bb + 50bb = 100bb

Without RIT, 2 hands, 50% equity, 100bb pots
  • Your share is 50bb of pot in hand 1
  • Your share is 50bb of pot in hand 2
  • 50bb + 50bb = 100bb

As you can see, the 2nd and 3rd examples are exactly the same thing, just worded differently. Like I said, all RIT does is effectively double your volume for that specific scenario. It has absolutely no effect on the beatability of a game. It just tracks closer to true winrate due to packing the variance reducing effects of 2 hands into a single hand.
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06-15-2012 , 05:19 PM
rit = {tilt} * 1/n
{tilt} = good ∴ rit = bad?
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06-15-2012 , 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JH1
RIT doesn't change equities and technically doesn't even change variance.

I never said it did, my point was as I understand it it may make bad players go busto quicker (reaching the "long run" faster)/make things less fun for them(chopping pots which they may have sucked out in), both of which are going to make the games less easy to beat

All it does is it takes your RIT hands, splits the pots in half and attributes each half to a separate hand, effectively doubling the number of hands played, thus pushing you towards the long run faster.

As you can see, the 2nd and 3rd examples are exactly the same thing, just worded differently. Like I said, all RIT does is effectively double your volume for that specific scenario. It has absolutely no effect on the beatability of a game. It just tracks closer to true winrate due to packing the variance reducing effects of 2 hands into a single hand.
I guess it's fine if you leave it optional, I just think that the effect it could have on fish makes the games less beatable.
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06-15-2012 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by steel108
Scott said to make a new thread for this.

The main advantage at playing at Tilt is players get to sit right in middle of the table. When you are multi tabling this makes a huge difference because you know exactly where you are and everything is balanced on the screen.

Also, it would nice to have a full cards option like Tilt. Sometimes it is hard to see you cards when you have multiple tables running.
This.

And tiling on two monitor is why I want tilt back.
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06-15-2012 , 06:47 PM
On demand tourneys in zoom. Start a tourney after 45 sign ups with a late reg.

Multi entry for zoom, so I can play only one tournament 4 times.
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06-15-2012 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by LostOstrich
I'm more concerned about traffic in MTSNGs to be honest. The 45-man Rush On Demand SNGs on FTP were extremely popular (and no doubt very profitable for competent regs), but even the most extreme mass tablers were only able to play 6-8 at a time afaik. So while Rush/Zoom is great for maximising your hands/hour, it definitely reduces your games/hour, which is obviously the more important figure for a tournament player.

I'd therefore continue to grind non-zoom MTSNGs, but they'd run less frequently as the player pool migrates to Zoom, and the reg/fish ratio would surely suffer too as the supernova volume grinders all stick to non-zoom (though admittedly some of the smarter/better players may be happy to pick off the fish in the zoom games instead)

Hopefully that explains my opposition to Zoom tournaments. Another factor is the fact that I'm old and naturally averse to change I'm now slightly tilted as I've used the word ZOOM at least 10 times in this post, and it's an annoying word.
Your logic is flawed. Yes you can only play 4 tourneys at a time, but they go 4 times as fast. So playing 4 tourneys is like playing 16 tourneys, because they only take a 1/4 of the time.

Zoom tourney are good for recreational players with real jobs, because you don't need all day to play tourneys anymore.
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06-15-2012 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by FDSaussure
The ability to re-order the columns in the lobby would be nice, I think it's much more intuitive to have the Buyin column before the Name column rather than after the Game column. This is referring to the new beta "alternative" lobby settings btw.
+1
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06-15-2012 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by knircky
Your logic is flawed. Yes you can only play 4 tourneys at a time, but they go 4 times as fast. So playing 4 tourneys is like playing 16 tourneys, because they only take a 1/4 of the time.
your face is flawed

lol if you think zoom mtts would take 1/4 the time of non zoom equivalents, they're not hypers.
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06-16-2012 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by knircky
Your logic is flawed. Yes you can only play 4 tourneys at a time, but they go 4 times as fast. So playing 4 tourneys is like playing 16 tourneys, because they only take a 1/4 of the time.

Zoom tourney are good for recreational players with real jobs, because you don't need all day to play tourneys anymore.
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your face is flawed

lol if you think zoom mtts would take 1/4 the time of non zoom equivalents, they're not hypers.
LostOstrich is right, and WRT Zoom MTTs, they have the effect of altering the structure of the tournament, i.e. the average hands per level. In theory more hands per level improves good players' edge but of course the zoom format counteracts this by making people less spewy preflop and so it's arguable that it could even end up reducing edges. The limiting factor for volume is the number of decisions needing to be made and average time it takes to make a decision relative to the time to act allowance. Since there's no dead time after you've folded your hand in a zoom tournament each individual tournament places a much greater number of decisions per minute and so places a substantial limit on tournament volume. Unlike cash games tournament hourly rates don't just linearly scale up with the number of hands played. In fact everyone knows that stalling to play less hands can be an effective strategy in certain tournament situations.
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06-16-2012 , 02:56 AM
Have zoom mtts came out now then? There's a lot of talk about them itt and I'm sure I saw someone tweeting about playing some this weekend??
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06-16-2012 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by CivSTAR


Is it possible to add a function like:

"Report player [PLAYERNAMES] for violating Pokerstars rules -> [VIOLATION]"

The [PLAYERNAMES] and [VIOLATION] would be dropdown-boxes, the "Playernames" would contain the names of the players at the table, and "violation" a few possible violations.

Would make it way easier to report players who for example are instantly going on sitout once another player at the table wents on sitout.

Your support doesn't need to check every report, but once a player hits a certain amount of reports, you can go over it and react.
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Originally Posted by lejean80
I'd appreciate this function, too. It sucks to report players for sitting out when fish sit out and then, some minutes later, when a pokerstars guy looks at that table, the guy sitting-out isn's sitting-out anymore.
+1
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06-16-2012 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by knircky
This.

And tiling on two monitor is why I want tilt back.

Open up x tables, move to monitor 1 and press ctrl+9.
Repeat with y tables on monitor 2.

Tiled. Simples.
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06-16-2012 , 03:01 PM
An easier way to change the size of tables. In most browser you can zoom by pressing Ctrl and +/- or by pressing Ctrl and scrolling the mouse wheel, this would be good for Pokerstars too (with an option to disable of course).
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06-16-2012 , 08:38 PM
Noticed this some time ago; When you change account password, an email should be sent telling you just that.

Also, regarding the chat report discussion above, and my experience from the policy through the years, I still think English should be the ONLY allowed language at the table regardless of content (unless other languages are allowed, indicated by the bubble)
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