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09-08-2021 , 03:02 PM
What's going on with this MU variant? Sounds worse than Delta if the experts are to be believed?
09-08-2021 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
What's going on with this MU variant? Sounds worse than Delta if the experts are to be believed?
From what I have read it's prevalence seems to be declining in places like South America, which would lead one to believe it does not have an advantage over Delta and will likely not become dominant. Seems to be a tiny percentage of cases worldwide.
09-08-2021 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
I think the simple answer is they are afraid of needles. Something you swallow orally "feels" safer than something injected into you, whether true or not. Had the vaccine been a pill we'd probably be at 95% uptake by now.
Here's an interesting article which just might give you some insight (which you clearly lack) into why there is so much vaccine hesitancy among certain sectors of the population.


https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/n...nstantin-kisin
09-08-2021 , 03:51 PM
Brazil now has less cases per million than Canada
09-08-2021 , 03:51 PM
And for those who can't be bothered to read the article here's a snapshot.

09-08-2021 , 03:58 PM
So the solution to that big pharma/ evil media conspiracy is take a deworming medication produced by Merck to help with their 50 billion a year in pharma sales after reading/hearing it pitched in various alt-right media sources. Cool.
09-08-2021 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nutella virus
Brazil now has less cases per million than Canada
Canada doing way more testing, so would not put much stock in the Brazil number.

Brazil has way more DPM.
09-08-2021 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Tien
It started from a conversation I had during dinner with my doctor friend when I asked him what he thought of using future medicine to raise the life expectancy from 80 to 110 or 120.


He also didn't like the idea of being 99 years old, still working at a hospital while a 28 year old freshly graduated medical student was waiting in line for a job. He said his time would have to end so that someone else could carry forward his job.


I thought about that comment for a while and now I agree with him.


These are simple intellectual conversations that are beyond Cuepee pay grade.
lol you think this is a simple intellectual conversation? Sounds more like stoned teenagers.

Why are you worried about living too long? You're overweight you have nothing to worry about.

Next dinner date ask your doctor friend about life expectancy for middle age fat people with "millions in commercial RE"
09-08-2021 , 04:05 PM
Monteroy,

Given that your pony is stuck on one trick, you might do well with a bit of dewormer.
09-08-2021 , 04:06 PM
Would doing that support or be a protest against big pharma?
09-08-2021 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bobbyJ
Here's an interesting article which just might give you some insight (which you clearly lack) into why there is so much vaccine hesitancy among certain sectors of the population.


https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/n...nstantin-kisin
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Originally Posted by bobbyJ
And for those who can't be bothered to read the article here's a snapshot.

That's just one of the reasons by the way. There are a lot more. The article is well worth reading.
09-08-2021 , 04:50 PM
I like that Tien no longer wants to own those arguments as defensible unless he can spin as if it was just some high minded theoretical discussion on upper age limits. I suspect Tooth who defended Tien's comments will bail on them soon too and pretend he never did.

You cannot get many people on forums like this to admit they are wrong but when they disavow their prior statements or positions and try to pretend they were something else, that is just as good as them admitting they were wrong or reprehensible prior.

No one does that more than Tooth, were almost every position he takes prior he changes later with a caveat or backpedal, once he realizes he was wrong.
09-08-2021 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
Well I certainly didn't see it coming that this thread would turn into the Derek Chauvin defense thread.

Here's a pretty reliable rule... if someone posts memes about how George Floyd should have just done what he was told... he's probably a racist.
I don't think it's a reliable rule at all. I think it's a high questionable premise of low reliability. Regardless, racism is a tiny dimension of a person. The greatest and bravest fighters against fascism/Nazism were racists. The greatest thinkers and scientists and humanitarians, all of them racists. Racism is just one small dimension of a person (if it even exists at all in that person, and your tendency to smear them as such on the first weak indication of same is just proof that you're a nasty or thoughtless human being). Why bring racism into a covid discussion? You seem weirdly fascinated with something which is about the 230th most important issue in the Western world and the 50th most important issue in improving the practical lives of minorities. Fighting the toxic left wing victim-creating belief in widespread racism keeping minorities down is way more important than actual racism. Creating a tendency towards seeing an external locus of control in individuals is incredibly toxic to their wellbeing and chance of difficult achievement. But you need a bit of a brain to appreciate that, and be less of a sheep and actually concerned about people rather than groupthink and slogans.

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I mean is it possible they are NOT racist, and just have an issue with our methods of border security, or the political philosophy of the BLM organization? Sure, it's possible. Just not likely.
Or it could be both? I don't think your heuristics are capturing 1/10th of the complexity of human nature.
09-08-2021 , 05:51 PM
ITT Tooth is making the 'racist are fine people too' argument.
09-08-2021 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GlassGlazer
lol you think this is a simple intellectual conversation? Sounds more like stoned teenagers.

Why are you worried about living too long? You're overweight you have nothing to worry about.

Next dinner date ask your doctor friend about life expectancy for middle age fat people with "millions in commercial RE"
Definitely longer than those that own just a bunch of online numbers.

People that own millions in commercial RE live very long happy lives.

Last edited by Tien; 09-08-2021 at 06:20 PM.
09-08-2021 , 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cuepee
The intellectual conversation is fine.

When you apply it dismissively to a real world conversation about the olds and how they are dying due to covid, as if to dismiss the value of their deaths, AS YOU DID, it is sociopath level **** just as you mocking anyone and EVERYONE with any long haul symptoms of covid as not sympathetic as they must be lazy or fat was also that sociopath.

Tell us Tien, do you still think that because you got over covid quickly and relatively easily with no carry forward issues that means the only way others have issues is if they are lazy and fat? Is that how you analyse situations and data?
I was against crashing the economy. Something we won't ever be doing again if a new virus comes that targets old people.

I was right then and I am right now.

All the best.
09-08-2021 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bobbyJ
No we don't, but it is a recognized complication of some covid vaccines. So maybe it's just a coincidence or maybe not. He obviously thinks the vaccine caused it or he wouldn't have tweeted about it occurring after his first shot.

And the guy is an MP. So hardly some random.
I put just about zero value in twitter posts that aren't data based.

People just make all sorts of **** up on social media.
09-08-2021 , 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Monteroy
Well, those are simplistic extreme examples. I don't think too many 99 year olds are working full time any more. Maybe a couple, and good for them, but not many, so most are not taking resources away at that point, rather they are consuming services and products that employ tons of people who are still viable in terms of age.

Age expectancy has risen as medical changes and awareness of health have changed, and that trend will likely continue. Fauci is 80, and I doubt many people (regardless of their opinion of his policies) would think that he is way past his prime in terms of awareness and his ability to do his job. It would be much harder for him to be in that same spot in 1921 than in 2021, so 80 today is quite different than 80 was a century ago, and similarly 100 a century from now will be different than 100 is now, and society would change as this happens as well with again more industries being created to serve the changing demographics.

Your scenario is more akin to a "here is a magic pill, now everyone lives 50 years longer without any changes to how functionality works" - and yeah that would be much more of a shock to the system, but that is not how it will work. A typical 90 year old today will be different than a typical 90 year old a century from now, so placing a huge supply of current 90 year olds into the future is not accurate.

I think society is better off having the baton passed over to the young even though some 80 and 90 year olds are still effective at their job.


Most humans though are no longer effective at 80 years old so it's actually a betterment for society if we don't live to 120.
09-08-2021 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Tien
I put just about zero value in twitter posts that aren't data based.

People just make all sorts of **** up on social media.
+1
I don’t see why people accord more value to a Twitter or Facebook account than some heckler on the street …

What is the difference ?
09-08-2021 , 07:07 PM
Good luck with your marketing strategy of showing the potential bad vaccine reaction case for your agenda that you find every month or two. May be hard for you to compete with the sheer volume from the other side like that Cain site, so as messaging goes its not the strongest on your part in terms of competitiveness, but then anti-vaxxers tend to be weak at how they do messaging.



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Originally Posted by Tien
I think society is better off having the baton passed over to the young even though some 80 and 90 year olds are still effective at their job.


Most humans though are no longer effective at 80 years old so it's actually a betterment for society if we don't live to 120.
Again, 120 today will be different than 120 in a different era, so society today is not ready for a huge rush of 120 year olds, but by the time that is normal it will be ready, just like it was ready for different ages as technology and medical knowledge improved.

If we had this chat in 1920 the life expectancy was just over 50 so someone that was 40-45 was pretty much taking up space for the younger generation using your theory. Would you say a 40 year old today is taking up space (aside from something like pro sports)? In 1920 your grandfather would be saying that it was actually a betterment for society if they did not live to 65. Things change.

I still do not see too many 80-90 year olds today holding back batons from the next generations. Do you really regard the 80+ crowd as taking a ton of opportunities away from Gen Zs? You never answered the specific question of what age you (on average) deem a human to be of no more value to society and what you would suggest when they reach that age. This is all your theory that you are exceedingly proud of, so why not fill in the details to it?
09-08-2021 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Trump: "There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."
this did not happen. this literally did not happen. this is not a real quote. you are being a disingenuous piece of **** by trying to gaslight everyone here into believing this garbage because you are so ****ing desperate to believe the narrative you already have inside your own head that you will take two entirely different statements and splice them together to create a statement and a meaning that literally did not happen.


go **** yourself.
09-08-2021 , 07:38 PM
Why are you so angry dude?

You seem to be a very angry person.

Trump did say that actually.

Here's the actual transcript:

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You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. … You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, — to them — a very, very important statute and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name. George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down statutes to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think about Thomas Jefferson? Do you like him? Are we going to take down his statute? Because he was a major slave-owner. Now are we going to take down his statute? You’re changing history. You’re changing culture, and you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally — but you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

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09-08-2021 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by revots33
We still don't know how often boosters might be needed. It may be one and done. It may be yearly, or some other period. Some virologists don't think we will need them at all, or if so, only a small subset of immunocompromised people.

In all honesty it doesn't really matter that much since the inconvenience of getting a shot, say, every 6 months, is far less of an inconvenience than being hospitalized with Covid.

I know you are trying to use boosters as a gotcha that shows vaccines don't work, but you'd be wrong as usual since they do work quite incredibly well.
not to mention that TDaP vaccines need boosters every 10 years and there haven't been any protests about whether or not needing boosters for those just makes them big pharma/big government power grabs. people just ****ing get them and move on.
09-08-2021 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bobbyJ
Why are you so angry dude?

You seem to be a very angry person.
because the whole lot of you constantly lie, misrepresent, and gaslight people over easily verifiable facts, and any normal person who gives half a **** about society actually functioning well would get really ****ing angry about it, you ****ing moron.
09-08-2021 , 07:44 PM
Yeah, it is not the actual quote. Not too shocking a development.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...sides-remarks/

if anyone really cares about the transcript it is pretty clear how forceful the "condemnation" was from Trump, but whatever. Follow up question was about the infamous infrastructure week.

      
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