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03-01-2010 , 01:43 AM

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GreenSmoke85

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,426

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Originally Posted by swd805

Great post, but kindof funny to see this from the kid who tried to angle a micro-grinder out of his roll.

I've been thinking this the whole thread. I'm pretty sure OP is doing this out of self interest but wants it to come off as a selfless gesture.

That being said, the coaching situation is a problem for sure but without a reputable system in place people are going to continue to get taken advantage of.

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03-01-2010 , 02:29 AM

#202

Cwocwoc

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,684

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Originally Posted by GreenSmoke85

That being said, the coaching situation is a problem for sure but without a reputable system in place people are going to continue to get taken advantage of.

I can understand 2 + 2 not wishing to accept responsibility but an obvious and simple move would be to require that least one active screen name is always provided.

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07-19-2010 , 02:54 AM

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Steal City

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 18

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Originally Posted by cftw

Also, for those of you looking to shell out 700+/hour for coaching, I strongly urge you not to because 90%+ of the time, you will be disappointed if you remove the rosy petals you view player X through. If you take out the reputation and only hear the substance, you will almost always be find the same information for cheaper.

Also, if you're hiring a coach that self-promotes with every post or tries to sound overly intelligent and bombastic with each passing statement, he probably doesn't even win and just wants to pump his own ego/allure. For example, how often do you see CTS/Stinger pumping themselves up? Almost never. Why? Because they actually win and are secure in how good they are, while some other players may repeatedly talk about how much he owns poker despite never having the results to back it up.

Constant self-flattery is a sign of insecurity, and nothing breeds insecurity in the poker world more than losing does.

What you pay for when you hire these coaches is a placebo sugar pill, and if you somehow go on a heater afterward, you just attribute it to the coaching and might post it on 2+2 and credit the coach. However, if you don't go on a heater afterward, you just say nothing, so only the good publicity gets publicized. Just through sheer volume, some student is going to crush, esp. since they are already winners by the time they approach these coaches.

When you're one of the greatest (back to the CTS example), you don't need to keep telling yourself and others how good you are.

When you're not, you feel the need to constantly pump yourself up, not just for your ego, but for your main form of income in today's game.

This is very eloquently written and rings true. I'm not sure if posting links to other strategy sites is allow (if so forgive me and delete this) but I thought I'd let people know about a thread which is incredibly relevant to this topic and discusses [vital]Myth

http://www.liquidpoker.net/poker-for..._is_Wrong.html

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