Few others and I did post itt maybe 3-4 weeks ago.

2 months ago Eurobros was my favorite union, but games changed quite quickly into bot/colluder infested.

sorry that you lost, I saw other complaining that something is not right but at that time I was doing very good so didn't care, when I lost 10k+ vs perceived weak and passive players that suddenly start to be agro post and have high wwsf realized that probably I was just running good before.

It's not the bots and colluders you need to be most worried about, it's the 'superusers' using 'God Mode' to see your cards. Anybody saying 'it can't be done' is just being naive (or lying) as there've been similar scandals in much more regulated sites. And Pokerbros being a Chinese app with zero oversight (does anybody even know who these people are?) the number of cheats on the site is probably in plague proportions. Don't forget that a popular Chinese saying is "If you aren't cheating you're not trying hard enough!"

I know a bunch of longtime pros who've been destroying the regulated sites for years, and NONE of them can win at Bros (including myself.) So only play there if you enjoy giving your money to a bunch of Chinese cheaters.

I don't want to be naive, and I'm sure there is some cheating, but don't think superusers are not in question here. I had decent samples on players I was suspecting are bots/colluders, and saw plenty of random spews, bad calldowns valueowning pf etc.

And about winning, have 25+ of players under me doing reports every week, and in the last 4-5 months think my players had maybe 2-3 losing weeks, and winning big amounts.
EDIT: I even needed to kick some big winners cause of their wr despite raking huge amount( one is good friend who still ask me when I'm letting him in again)

Yeah some of them are doing below their expectations(my self included), but most of them are doing much better then on regulated sites.

Where do you get the idea that the app/app owners are Chinese, or that there is a significant amount of Chinese or even Asian players on pokerbros?

I think a **** ton of very well organized collusion is probably the answer here. Constantly switching/creating new accounts then just throwing them away after a few days. Maybe even stables of players playing together and just sharing each other's screens and soft playing/colluding. Something is obviously going on though because it is stupid easy to get around the restrictions they have set it place.

I was playing in a casino pre-covid with lots of Bros agents who all assured me that they had tons of winning clients. Since I knew all the pros there I asked them how they were going on Bros. They all said they were either losing or had given up, the same with their friends. I also know a large number of online pros with similarly poor results at Bros. Jonathan Little, with his own big stable of pros has repeatedly warned against Bros, saying that none of his pros can win there. The only people claiming there's long-term winners are the lying agents infesting casinos and threads like this one.

Who the fk is jonny little.

And why do you forever keep mentioning him.
Maybe his stable isn't very good

You keep saying you know lots of people from this group and that group and this other group. I think you're exaggerating and not being honest.

Also ever thought live regs might just not be that good when trying to play similar stakes online? People used to say 100nl online is similar to 1knl live. That was years ago, can only imagine the gap has got wider. So when these live pros try to play similar stakes online, they probably suck hard.

That is such a fn ******ed thing to say. Put up some money and I'll be happy to prove you wrong.

The only people whining about collusion are fish overvaluing their skill and underestimating variance. I am also a “long-term” winner on bros at 2/4-5/10 across all the unions over 250k hands.

I don't think it's collusion Eurobros, I am 95% sure its superusing
If it was collusion it wouldnt even be a big deal, since even with it the people doing it would be losing, given how bad they are at poker
Also about 50% of my sample there is HU, mostly vs this one guy who open raises 2bb 80-90% of the time and 3bb opens the remaining time and only uses 1/2 and pot sizings postflop
Everyday he appears on one or two new accounts
His fold to flop cbet is 10%, his raise flop cbet is 50%
But like I said, its borderline impossible to win a pot bigger than 10bb vs him
If I call his raise and have a decent hand on the turn he always instantly shuts down
He pays pretty tight preflop, but suddenly 5bet shoves A8o and wins
My WWSF is 39% ffs

And I beat 1k on all major sites at 3bb/100 this year over a million hands sample, no I know what Im doing
The chance that there isnt some kind of superusage is close to 0 imo

Btw I also play on Paradise, Panamericas and Diamond and I think the games there are legit
But I am worried that there is a good chance the app can be compromised by the club owners, if wanted
Also does anyone know whos behind eurobros?

You need to get out immediately NINzent - the general consensus has been for some time that not only is there superusing occurring at Bros, it's almost certainly been done on a massive scale. It probably started with the developers and then spread to their friends and extended families. You can't win when they can see your cards. Ignore people like Halperin - he's just one of their bagmen.

I do believe the Eurobros union was a scam from the start with the intention to reverse bumhunt regulars. At least some of the clubs involved that were part of it have extremely shaddy past (Q7cc being the prime example).
I do not know however if they were also Union heads (find it likely based on what I heard).
My understanding is this is also the reason why their traffic collapsed so badly because PokerBros security got involved and clean up a lot . Pretty shocked they did not shut them down yet tbh.

NINzent you can PM me and we could probably discuss in private . I might be able to help you get to the bottom of it.

Did Diamond remove everything above 3/6?

They're still showing for me.

Sometimes when ur club wins too much over certain time peroid they get rrestricted frok certain stakes

Superuser poker bros...yikes. the choices to play are very little if anything that is legit. Between super user, awful software, bots...all of the usa sites are problems if not everywhere but stars

PB is one of the few poker companies that did in fact massively invest into poker security. This is something I know as a fact.
So plenty of reasons to bash them for but security is not one of them.
I would rather avoid playing on Ipoker,WPN,PPPoker or Upoker (no security whatsoever). Just because people say something or say nothing does not make a place less or more safe.
The Poker Security industry is just a sad state of affair. I mean you will know if someone does invest into Poker Security or not and most consciously choose not to.
If you really want to play in a poker room with a very good security you basically are limited to Pokerstars or Party Poker. Thats it.

Poker Security is an ongoing struggle and most of the sites do not give a ****.
And not trying to say that cheating is not a problem there. Lack of KYC and multiaccounting and decentralized structure when it goes to money and control all those things make pretty much all Club based pseudo play money apps inherently very risky with a very high % of cheating.

For the record I am in no way affiliated with Poker Bros or have any involved so take what I say with a grain of salt. But do have experience when it goes to working within this industry.

Chicos games are pretty clean and definetely the best choice by far for players located in the USA

issues on eurobros are likely due to collusion and alot of agents warnt about them weeks ago already.

claiming that there is sitewide superusing happening is highly unlikely. if there are superusers players will get pwnd hard and

a) it will show in their results (basically cant win)
b) they will feel owned and complain about it

both isn't happening in any form or shape at any stakes in the more established unions

And by "general consensus", do you mean "in your own head"?

I see you're now claiming that it probably started with the developers, whereas previously your imagination's general consensus was that outsiders hacked into the software so they could see the hole cards. Interesting development.

I'd be interested in seeing what evidence you have that "[it] then spread to their friends and extended families" and could you give more details please? For example, do you think it spread to best friends from school, and then grandparents, parents, aunts and uncles all living under one roof?

I'm not sure if there's a way of providing evidence for things that have been completely made up, but if there is then many of us would welcome you providing it.

(Also, if you'd like to buy an emulator then PM me. I've just got a new bunch in, just in time for Christmas, and I'm now offering free shipping and a gift-wrapping service.)

Don't think I ever had 39 WWSF over a 20k+ hand sample
And the games on eurobros (if legit) should be 10x softer than the games I usually play in
And collusion is not an explaination, since a lot of it was HU

Also I am not saying there are superusers in other clubs, the games in the other clubs I am in feel very legit

i mean...

is there a chance there is superuser capability built in? yes, for sure. I consider that chance around 0.001% though unless the guys who developed PokerBros are incredibly ******ed.

they built an app from scratch which entirely crushed PPP in a matter of weeks and just converted alot of PPP traffic over to bros.

they make good money selling diamonds bc for every club you set up, game you run, timeback you buy, etc you need to buy diamond first.


they have extensive roaster of unions and clubs who constantly pay them money to offer their games.

now they go to eurobros and say: "hey guys, for this one union you pay us 100k and we give you some superusers enjoy"

would take exactly one whistle blower to basically tank the entire app and the entire business model in one day.

now it's on you to decide if guys who built the biggest western app traffic are ******ed and greedy enough to go down this path.

i think they are not but in this industry nothing is impossible

its completely standard to have low wwsf vs aggro whale, even moreso if they're tight pre

don't you think your wwsf would be even lower if they were superusing?

Considering we’ve already seen super users exist and that the majority of sites have failed due to greed, I’d put the odds of shady stuff going down on any site at 25% or more. It’s more a matter of when, not if.

A few facts to consider for those doubting the presence of super users:
- Bros have ZERO accountability to ANYONE.
- Nobody seems to know who's behind the company.
- Nobody even seems sure which COUNTRY they're in.
- Being able to view another player's hole cards is a fast track to making millions, so MASSIVE incentive.
- It's the perfect crime, who can ever prove it?
- It's fairly easy to do for anybody with access to the source code, which by this time must include a large number of developers.