If all you did was an introduction, I don’t think you should be hold responsible for whatever happens between them. Especially if you made that point clear when you connected them. However if you work like a sub agent and actually got paid in one way or another, I feel that would make you responsible at least at some degree.

I'll gladly post every text message we have ever sent. The introductions have been exactly as I said. I am not a sub agent. I never recieved benefits for players I brought. I did it because I liked Halprin, thought he was fair and efficient. He thanked me many times during the course of our interactions for people I brought him. He even said st one point "thanks so much for the refferals, I can't give you anymore RB but I will hook you up with something". Only thing he hooked me up with was a stolen roll.
Happy to post all text exchanges

Just curious, what are the methods that can be charged back and what methods are safe? Thanks.

Unfortunately I've dealt with every weird situation in the book over the years, if there's one piece of advice I can universally give it's:

There is probably no immediate urgency here. Take a step back for a minute, talk to all the parties involved calmly, and figure out what exactly happened.

There is no benefit in further spamming/name calling, or threats, as that just gets in the way of a potential resolution.

Allow everyone involved to calm down/re-evaluate before proceeding with any more aggressive steps.


IF it's exactly as you described, this is out of line. (But it's possible the agent will return your funds if it becomes clear you were not involved.)

If you're wondering why people are skeptical, often in these cases, the information is pretty one sided.

Were you playing at the same tables/in the same games as the referrals for example?

Why wouldn't he guarantee deposits? If you don't lose your deposit, it's always in his personal account.

Surely that's a huge red flag.

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Ok, some unsolicited friendly advice from an outsider that also happens to handle a lot of money.

1. Calm down and drop 100% of all threats. Virtually nothing ever gets resolved by heated discussions, Lao Tzu and all that stuff.

2. Try to get a 3/4way chat going to try and get clarity across the board and so the grimy player reversing the charges can see who they screwed.

3. Stay calm. You are also dealing with another person and people tend to respond better without threats. There is the possibility that it was done in hast and calmer heads prevail. It may even take several conversations/days.

You may open a door that you cannot close and hurt yourself further. I am very familiar with losing my temper and acting on it. Telling any of the places that you sent money for gambling could freeze all your own accounts, too. In the end, you do what is beat for yourself obviously. I'm just making a couple of suggestions to achieve your end goal and from someone on the otherside of the equation.

Great advice. Never. Not one time, I play different stakes and games then all the people I sent his way.

Been getting a lot messages regarding this issue. For clarification, this agent is not " Big Hal" it's "Halprin", apparently they are both agents in the same club.

Solid posts, with great advice.

All sounds crazy as described, but it could be one big misunderstanding. Looking at it from halperin's point of view for a moment, IF he has genuine reason to think that 4 different people that you sent his way all charged back, I can see why he'd be looking at you, vouch or no vouch. It could seem like you're trying to scam him, or setting him up to be scammed. I have no idea why he'd think people are charging back if they're not, but again, I can see how that would look from his perspective.

Best of luck getting this resolved.

Thanks for clearing this up. Also, I assume you actually mean halperin. I see he's reading this thread now; hopefully he comes in to try to clear things up/tell his side of the story, or reaches out to you privately to do so.

Edit to add: Back offline, so I guess nothing's forthcoming at this very moment.

I took this all in. I disagree that things don't get handled when they escalate though. The onus is on him to set these conversations up since he is the one that stole the money.
If I have to follow through with anyone of my promises, the last thing I am concerned about is my accounts being frozen. I've transfered maybe 5k tops, I work a 6 figure job and pay taxes. My income isn't solely based on illegal wire frauds.

Only 1 person charged back, I don't know this person, it was my friend's cousin. If you look up you can see the conversation regarding this referal. It was as informal as informal can be.

I gain zero benefit by sending players his way, I did it because I thought he was a good agent with a fair rb deal. I did it because I liked him. I have another agent and I know several others I could have pointed these people too.

Halperin and I have been making transactions for over 60 days. I have deposited / withdrawn/ moved money around, sent a handful of solid rakers his way. Not once did he mention the risk I am taking on by sending him people that EARN HIM PASSIVE MONEY. He has zero reason to think I am trying to scam him.
I have every single text message saved. This is 50% some ******* I don't know charging back and 50% an agent taking advantage of the situation to screw a loyal player over.

Halperin still hasn't come in here to explain himself.

I want to know why my accounts were used as insurance for a lack of foresight with a deposit method that wasn't even offered to me. There was no vouch at any point, soft or hard. My exact words were i have a friend who's info I gave you, he said "thanks"

I understand why you are mad, but I don’t think his intention is to screw you.
It doesn’t make sense for an agent to screw a loyal customer. That is not his best interest.

Your right it doesn't make any sense. He has handled this so poorly/unprofessionally. My accounts alone would have made him that much in RB in 1-2 months tops.. Not counting the other players I introduced. By taking all the cash from my accounts he garauntees himself not to get another passive dollar from me and the people I know. He should have done his best to recoup from the guy that actually screwed him over, and allowed my money and future referalls to keep raking free money.

Did you give him the contact info for the guy that caused this mess? Seems the onus and pressure should be the cause.

I have tried contacting you directly but am only met with long paragraphs of threats. That will not get us anywhere. I will post our side here once to clear some things up but the rest will be handled privately. Will not be responding to threats.
Our perspective is that Riley referred two people (one referred another guy as well so 4 total all came to me in one night.) and all of them seemed to know each other as friends or cousins. One of the original 2 referred players charged back $1440 a week or so after losing it. Saw the charge back last night and our first action was to claim back all of the funds ($1200) from these players. Logic behind this was that there could be more charge backs coming or potentially dumping off their chips to another player/agent. Confiscating a player’s chips is a big deal but so is charging back a deposit. The charge backs cannot so easily be returned whereas the balances can be. I texted him and told him that we took the balance while he talks to the guy who did the charge back. He initially denied that he knew the guy and only referred one person, but my texts showed otherwise and also show the scammer using Riley’s name directly when introducing himself originally. Basically right from there is when a bunch of threats came out so we never really got to discuss anything. He also says he will not be sharing any details about collecting the money from the scammer/cousin with me.
I contacted the cousin of the scammer today and he said he is trying to get a hold of him but has been unable to do so. I asked for information on the scammer, name, phone (I have one but don’t think it is real nor does he respond), address, place of work, does he play live poker, what other clubs is he in. He would also give me no information saying he will not cooperate while the funds are held.

The scammer told me he plays a bunch on PPPoker and made 30k last month. His pokerbros ID is five digits which means he has been around a long time. He likely has balances elsewhere that could be taken. Without any cooperation and aiding the scammer in evading us we are in a tough spot.

I don't even have the guys contact number. It's my friend's cousin that apparently did this, not my friend. Regardless it is my understanding that my friend has been in contact with Hal. Hal asked for his cousins personal info to which my friend responded that he would not give that out while he continues to hold on to my money.

I think the point is that Hal never once told me when I was bringing people to him that my roll could be at risk. He never mentioned a single word about charge backs. Agents should not use their players rolls as an insurance policy.

Halperin I get where you’re coming from but this just looks like a cost of doing business.

Did you tell Riley he’s responsible for accounts he sends your way? If not you gotta give him his money, at least in my eyes.

Why not force bitcoin? I can guess the answer is you’ll lose business but it’s better than dealing with a group of Kentucky cousins.

I'm in contact with the club owner now. There was some truth to what you said and some lies. I have already offered the club owner and this thread the entire transcript of our conversations. I have done nothing wrong in this situation.

No to all of the above. I also don't even know these "cousins" I literally gave hals number to 1 guy in this situation. That guy asked me if he could also give his number to his cousin, I asked Hal, he said yes, end of referral.

Oh and yeah, if you wake some up with "hey, I took you all of your money" expect to see some anger and threats. I get you don't want to respond to threats, great.. Do the right thing and you won't have to hear another word about them.

Out of all the people involved in this I'm literally the last person who should have had funds taken.

This was the original text from my friend when he was trying to get Halperin's contact info. I didnt pass the contact info until I was given the go ahead by Hal. Prerrt clear I don't know the cousin. When Hal was "discussing" the situation with me his only answer to me was "talk to your friend". This shows he was never interested in any solution other than me trying to get this money back from someone I dont know that didn't take it from my account.

This is likely the case. Your manner in trying to rectify it is off. I say this as someone that moves substantial money around every month.

My guess is that the hard ones amd being told you cannot have X's contact until you give the funds back is not helpful. You probably get resolution, but someone protecting a scumbag, I know it isn't you, is not helping your cause. To be honest, it is a terrible position for them to take amd you seem to be the person getting hit the worst. The problem is 80% the scumbag guy that charged back because they lost. Seems to me, if the agent had direct access you get what you want.

Just an outside view of what has been spoken about here. You should be furious at the cousin/friend that referred the bad egg. Why they are not willing to help you is pretty disconcerting. They are basically stealing the money you are being held hostage.

I'm very anti scammer, you can check the P2P thread and see what is currently going on with one right now.

I can understand that you and Halperin look at this mess from totally different perspectives, but there shouldn't be a big factual difference in your stories. in your story, you have referred 5 decent players to him before this bad egg happens. However, in Halperin's story you only have four referrals that all happen at the same time. One of the two direct referral is the scammer, and all four referrals seem to know each other. That is totally different situation. if your story is true, as I said earlier, it doesn't make sense for an agent to screw a loyal customer like that. if what Halperin said was true, he probably suspects you are part of the scam. With you not helping him get the scammer information, it is not going to help your case.

Yeah that was one of the untrue things he said. That night I reffered 1 person, who then referred the cousin and used my name, as shown by the texts above. Prior to this night, within the last 2 months, I have referred 3 other players. 2 that came straight from here, I have pms to prove.. The other was a coworker / friend of mine.
Those 3 players are totally seperate and from what I understand have had zero issues.
I have the proof for all of this.


I have no problem giving Hal the info I have. I literally only know 1 out of those 4 people that started playing under him that night. I ****ing hate scammers and I'm not looking to protect any of them. I am also furious with my friend for the position his dumb**** scammer cousin put Hal in. That being said, it doesn't justify pulling my money.

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