guys i hate to bring you bad news but the reality is that party does not give a **** about regulars paying the rake. Remember the guy whining a few pages back the he was able to get 80-90% back from party? There is no incentive to keep guys like these around. For example, lets take some guys paying like 10k rake per month and getting 50-60% (on average) back from that. Add affilate commision, withdrawal fees etc to and party will get what...? 10-20% from that rake? Not much. But thats just half of the problem.

The second side of the problem lies in financial liquidty. cashflow. For every bumhunter that is withdrawing money from the site there have to be enought deposits to cover that. The site has to make sure that the money to take the rake (their profit) from actually exists. You cant build a pokersite with 1000 grinders (who keep paying rake and withdrawing) and 10 fishes (who's deposits dont cover the withdrawals.) Such a site will go bankrupt eventually since at some point there is no simply no money left. Why do you think there have been so many scandals with high-rakeback sites? Purple lounge, Eurolinx, 50/50, Tusk skins, Everleaf, Cake, or even FTP and Cereus. All these sites went to use players funds in order to cover operating costs becouse there simply was not enough cash to go around. Party probably has decided not to go down that road. So they've lowered rakeback, lowered affiliate commisions, attempted to drive away players that just leech off the money from the site. Im surprised they have not removed heads up tables. Would be a good idea imo.

Speaking about the new client - i actually kinda like it. Have not experienced any bugs so far. Font size is not too bad, can still play 8 tables accross 2 displays. Having lower rakeback obviously hurts a bit but i dont rely on rb so much. The less rakeback pros there are the better for the games.

peace

wait 80-90% rb at party?

The font is such that an individual can see it clearly or they can't. It is much smaller than the previous one.
This isn't a case of the font altering size whether you multi table or not, it doesn't alter. It is not a vector font. The containing box alters dimensions, the font doesn't
If you drag a table to its smallest possible dimensions and open one alongside it to its maximum dimensions you will see that the size of the numerical font displaying the chipstack beneath the player name stays the same size.
The software does not allow you to make the numbers larger at the expense of overlapping tables or otherwise. (classic table at least)
It is the first time I have ever used reading glasses to play poker.

Party please replace font.

did the 20,000 point bonus get removed again?

It wasn't returned... the screenshots are just another bugs on PP's side

Is this a joke? Can't see ANYTHING. Are we supposed to play single table to be able to see the chip count?! I would be fine with the ****ty table skin, but ATLEAST MAKE THE CHIP FONT LARGER.

I dont think this is entirely correct.

go to a super small scenario.

Forget for a moment about operating costs.

6 people sign up and deposit $100 each to a new poker site. They play for a few hours and nobody really makes any money. They all finish for the day and they all cashout. Has the poker site made a Profit, YES

the next day, the same 6 poeple deposit $100 and play for a few hours. One person wins sombodies stack and they dont re-deposit. They all finsih shortly after and cashout. Has the poker site made a profit. YES

the next day only 5 people deposit and again they play and cashout. Has the poker site made a profit YES. But wait, this isn't realistic because sombody somwhere will always sign up and deposit and how do we know this. Cascino Games, nobody ever wins but they keep coming back to lose more. Those same people do that with poker too. The only reason why they would stop, is IF they get treated badly by the operators of the site they play on.

The amount of profit at this super small scale wouldnt cover todays operating costs. In order to do that you need 1000,s of players playing around the clock to accumalte enough rake to cover expenses.

Well that's how i see it anyway, money has to be coming from somwhere, people cashng out arn't cashing out the rake money that has been paid to the site.

Is it possible to play with Windows 8? PartyPoker software just keeps rebooting itself all the time.

You earned an achievement 2 mins ago

Bugs
Get disconnected 10 or more times in the space of 5 minutes.

Waiting for poker tatsu ni to answer the big questions.

Compared to the eye blinding white on party I now prefer the bwin BLACK lobby and tables much more then before. Except for the cards black backside on a black background. Which i changed to a more visible colour.

Small bug for Rep:

I can access all mission screens but when i try to pauze this mission

I get this error

Please fix.

This is simply wrong.

All money brought to the table has been deposited by the players. They are playing for this money and it is, (should be), kept ring-fenced in the site's Clients Money Account, (CMA). The CMA should never be touched, except to pay out players' withdrawals and to transfer profit earned to the site's Office Account, (OA). (The site is allowed to earn interest on the fluctuating balance in the CMA, which is added to the OA.)

As with any correctly run business, as the site earns gross profit, (rake), by the players playing on the tables, they take it out of the Clients Money Account and move it to their Office Account.

Let's say they do this at the end of every day. There is always exactly the same total in the CMA as the total in the players' individual accounts. If someone withdraws from their own account, it comes out of the CMA, always leaving those totals the same.

The gross profit, (the rake), in the OA is used by the site to pay rakeback, overlays, bad debts, wages, computer and office expenses, taxes, etc, etc. The resulting balance at the end of the year is their net profit for the year.

There can be a scandal because a site does not ring-fence its CMA and uses the funds against normal and correct accounting practices, believing, (at best, even though it should not be done), that by the year-end it would have earned enough profit, (rake), to be able to pay back the incorrectly used CMA funds from the OA to the CMA, with no one being any the wiser. If in such a case the estimate of future profit is wrong, then, in theory, the site is bankrupt, (and was actually bankrupt the first day it used the CMA to fund operating costs).

Whilst high-paying rakeback sites might be at a higher risk of going bankrupt, it is not necessarily the case that they will. It depends more on the morality of the owners and how they treat the CMA and spend the legitimate profit made. A no-rakeback site can go bankrupt if the owners are incompetent, pay high wages, rent high-cost offices, etc. A 90%-rakeback site that runs its business properly, learns to walk before it tries running, and spends no more than its proper profits could easily grow into a major company.

An almost universal misconception Mike. So long as the site has the assets to cover its liabilities, it's not bankrupt. The fact that those assets are often intangible assets and include "goodwill" and "intellectual property rights" is often where the problem becomes real.

The site can report in its accounts that all player liabilities are covered, but then the business ceases and suddenly the intangibles don't quite have the value that was registered on their books with the result that players don't get paid back -- how much is the Purple Lounge brand really worth?

Some regulators such as ARJEL in France, and the Nevada Gaming Commission require player funds to be held in trust (or equivalent) so that the businesses creditors can have no claim on player deposits - everyone else's money is at risk if the operator fails.

For me this doesn't hold completely true, the fonts do change to bigger size when I enlarge them. I pasted in the old image file into the updated version btw.

I cant see clearly the numbers also, but i undertand that this is a deliberate change so that the player will go more easily to an all in than if there was some BBIGG numbers reminding him of how much money he will lose and generally not thinking much about money. I would also expect partypoker tokens some time in the future instead of the amount of real money in front of u. If they will suceed to keep a shark free reef and people play there winning and losing in the same frequency even if they dont have the slightest idea of pot odds hmmm then guys i wont care about the smaller rakeback. I dont give them more chances to suceed because humans are made to try and progress and get better, when money is in play. THATS the reason they r trying to make us forget that money are the issue, will they do it? Facebook zynga2??

Dear Party Rep -

I wanted to ask again if we can open a discussion about the bonus release requirements specifically the 15k bonus costing 90,000 points in 180 days to release.

I am having trouble understanding how it takes 9,000 points every three months (thus 18,000 points in 160 days) to maintain your top vip status of Paledium but it takes 90,000 points which is more than 4 times that to obtain an item that is yours or else you have to forfeit it. I believe an explanation is justified. Thank you.

Stalrock

Yes, haven't been playing on Party lately but I loaded it up just to see and the graphics at least are not so horrible as I was led to believe from this thread! (I'd still prefer them the way they were before, but I hate change as a rule.)

For the rest I'm mainly a tournament player so not really affected by the changes.

Sad to see that stud is gone from the site altogether, though. It was dying anyway as a cash game, but they destroyed what tournaments there were too in their bout of changes last January.

Anyone else getting some weird virus-messages from Norton while trying to install the new Party client?

"Auto-Protect blocked this Heuristic Virus. No further action needed"

"Threat name Suspicious.Cloud.9"

http://www.symantec.com/security_res...052214-5723-99

they took the old software and they just made it hell more buggy. there isn't one ****ing single day that I don't have any problems. Guess that it is true also for other regs.

We have the old software they just introduced hunderds new buggs (And BTW they didn't even fix the old bugs some of them 1 year+ old....)

There isn't any new software it is just way worse version of the old one...

I have to agree. Honestly the new software has NOT improved at all. The achievements are so useless for any reg, maybe can attract fish initially. But I don't see how the novelty would not wear off fast.

Also the friends concept I think is ******ed. How do these fish feel they all of a sudden know that there are like 100+ people that have added them as friends. This is not a friendly facebook game. This is a ****ing predatory game where all these guys wanna take the fish's money. Like FK do you really want them to know this fact? So many have already removed a bunch of friends or changed their privacy settings.

Constant disconnects and crashes when moving the software around a lot or tiling tables. This is mega tilting, and does not outweigh any possible benefit (if there was even any) from the new site.

All in all for 2 years of work and multiple delays in the release date, it would be an understatement to say this release is a disappointment.

It is getting worse. I just got on a crash loop and couldn't stop it. Did we lose auto table sizing too? I hope someone's head rolled for this.

Party rep is conspicuous by his absence.

If you think you can't handle this bonus, maybe you should buy another easier one.

Thank you for your question,

- Party rep

the thought that went into the bonus clearance rates is just hilarious. obviously somebody thought: "hey if they have to rake 90% of the value of the bonus to clear it then when they finish they'll immediately be on the verge of another bonus. Meaning they'll buy that bonus and then we'll have them stuck in a loop. They won't ever be able to leave the site without forfeiting value. Our regulars will never leave!!!!!"

Instead the regs are just going to sacrifice the RB value of the bonuses and bumhunt the site. Decreasing traffic, decreasing deposits, decreasing action and lowering the gravity of the site to attract new players.

Party is going to become just like every other bit player in the market. A medium to small site that people keep a few thousand bucks on in order to try and find fish. Games will dry up, tournament guarantees won't be met until they are lowered, and eventually they'll become just a shell of what was once a great site.

why compete with the best, when you can fail with the worst? I hope none of you guys owns a bunch of party stock.

does anyone know why when I try to get the 10k point for 1k bonus it says County/State is a mandatory field when I see nothing else on the screen after clicking checkout?

Emailed them about this problem, guy said it's happened to others and they're looking into it.

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... you guys from partypoker just suck