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10-01-2013 , 02:40 PM

#576

willage

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 83

I don't suppose anyone's been invited to the elite level? In any case, max of $250/month is negligible. I guess you would have to use the rest to buy in to tournaments, but from what I've seen the rate is pretty bad.

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10-01-2013 , 02:42 PM

#577

VISH MASTER

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 260

Any 1 remembers how much 1 had to rake to get 15% before?
I know Carbon was 20,000pts / 2k$ in rake to get 35%.

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10-01-2013 , 02:43 PM

#578

kahntrutahn

Minbet Millionaire

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 8,054

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Originally Posted by ih8ustfu

im looking at the screen and have no idea what i would play here anymore. i never realized how i always subconciously am looking to the guarantee and the buyin to see what kind of field size i will be looking at. now i look at the screen and my brain is just drawing a blank. ive never seen a poker site do this and now i know why. thank god we still have bovada at least. i mean this is going to kill the site faster then they could have ever imagined. theres no way whoever pulled the guarantees is an online poker player, bc they would have to have literally no understanding of online poker to do this.

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Originally Posted by thadarkman78

You know one good advantage to all these guarantees is there is some sick overlay in the mornings from the early going. 33%+ overlays in the 2rs, over 50% overlay in a $5 hyper. I mean sure the prize pools are small but that is some sick value for sure.

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Originally Posted by Sydney_Says

So if we were on the sportsbook skin like playersonly is there no hope for playing guaranteed tourneys anymore? >.<

I've looked at the lobbies for SB/PO vs Carbon/Aced and there appears to be MTT segregation now where there was none before.

It is my speculation that the initial lowering of GTDs is the result of some new segregation, plus the massive increase in amount of tournaments offered (about 80% more MTT offered) and being conservative about how those new MTTs will fare out the gate.

I can tell you that on the Carbon/Aced side of the network they are reviewing GTD data daily with the intention of making adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Er4th1

They dropped the rake to 5% from 5.5%, and lowered the max rake taken from 6-10 (players seated) to $3 from $4. Also, the rake adjustments are for ALL stakes.

This is what it used to be:

I don't know where you got this from, but rake was not adjusted.

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Originally Posted by StackerBee

replies from support to me are no longer coming from support@carbonpoker but instead from support@pokercs.com hmmm

Nothing new here address wise.

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Kahn

Last edited by kahntrutahn; 10-01-2013 at 02:56 PM.

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10-01-2013 , 02:44 PM

#579

catfan17

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,422

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Originally Posted by nickj7777

well done lol

lol fu

i thought i had read everything in the thread already

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10-01-2013 , 02:49 PM

#580

JohnFR

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,365

I'm gonna make a guess and say the really high point earners will not be invited to Carbon Elite. I'm going to guess that really bad fish, who are huge net depositors will be invited instead, and thus the small number of VIP points required to cash in(1425 for $50) will be about what they are earning before they run out of money.

EDIT: Seems like Merge is moving to a model to keep fish in the game longer, phasing out high volume regulars, similar to the Bovada approach.

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10-01-2013 , 02:57 PM

#581

kahntrutahn

Minbet Millionaire

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 8,054

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Originally Posted by JohnFR

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10-01-2013 , 03:15 PM

#582

p2 dog, p2

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 7,536

well if thats the case lets see how many $60 and $100 super turbos pop off compared to the past

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10-01-2013 , 03:15 PM

#583

COKE_MAN

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,337

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz

CarbonRyan had encouraged players to save up their points for when they reached higher VIP levels. I think that it's becoming more and more clear that CarbonRyan quit in protest over these changes. His hands would have been tied as far as warning players that they were about to get screwed big time on their points.

Exactly what I was thinking.

Also, regardless of how nutty he/she was and the size of the tinfoil hat, it looks like someone owes that MichelleLee(?) person something on a bet about the VIP program.

Edit: Damn I see you remembered that too. You have the same initials as my real name (SC), someone is going to start to think we are the same person

Last edited by COKE_MAN; 10-01-2013 at 03:18 PM. Reason: SC is faster than me.

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10-01-2013 , 03:22 PM

#584

ponDragon

adept

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 964

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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn

I don't know where you got this from, but rake was not adjusted.

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Kahn

I see the same thing as him when I go to Player Admin - > Vip Rewards -> Vip Points and Rake.

However, the main FAQ still lists the higher rake numbers.

Sigh...unfortunately this is looking like they just forgot to update their page on the playeradmin

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10-01-2013 , 03:23 PM

#585

VISH MASTER

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 260

They cannot get to choose who they invite. Players who rake more should be given back more. Anything else is not fair.
I hope they don't make us rake more than 2k$/month for 35%. It's simply not possible with the pathetic traffic for tournaments

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10-01-2013 , 03:27 PM

#586

IWishIWas

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 484

So basically Carbon/Aced is the go to for tourney's on merge and sportsbook is the best room for cash games. From what I can tell.

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10-01-2013 , 03:31 PM

#587

catfan17

old hand

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,422

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Originally Posted by VISH MASTER

It may not be fair but they can do whatever the hell they want.

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10-01-2013 , 03:37 PM

#588

Max Cut

Guest

Posts: n/a

Yup. It's not about "fair". It's about profit.

I wouldn't even expect a reacharound.

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10-01-2013 , 03:40 PM

#589

SantaCruz

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 4,161

I don't think that PokerHost's VIP system has changed. It might be a good idea to transfer over to that skin. PokerHost almost entirely has access to the same games as Carbon. Carbon has always been the flagship of the network. It could be that the network has decided to change that perhaps in order to make SportsBook more competitive. SportsBook's VIP system sucks too.

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10-01-2013 , 03:54 PM

#590

IWishIWas

grinder

Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 484

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Originally Posted by thadarkman78

There is just too many tournaments. While the guarantees are low they aren't meeting them because there is a tournament at each buy in level every hour. Pretty terrible.

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10-01-2013 , 04:06 PM

#591

nuttinbutnuts

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 143

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Originally Posted by IWishIWas

There is just too many tournaments. While the guarantees are low they aren't meeting them because there is a tournament at each buy in level every hour. Pretty terrible.

Not meeting guarantees because they have segregated Carbon/Aced tournaments from the rest of the network

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10-01-2013 , 04:18 PM

#592

Scherer716

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 20,637

f merge

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10-01-2013 , 04:22 PM

#593

dwb3

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 298

Wow what a screw job on new vip system. You pretty much max out at 15% rb haha on to acr for me

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10-01-2013 , 04:46 PM

#594

MichelleLee

banned

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 49

catfan17
johnfr
A_Schupick
NickHalden
Max Cut
5thStreetHog
kahntrutahn

and any other sheep or shill I left out who has been defending Merge up and down every time we criticize them..the people who said we were jumping to conclusions when we told everyone they were dumping their forum because they were gonna gut the vip program and didn't want to deal with the public backlash.....

WHAT SAY YOU FOOLS???

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10-01-2013 , 04:48 PM

#595

JohnFR

veteran

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,365

Nothin, I already said what I'm gonna say on the matter, sucks for high volume rakeback grinders, I'm waiting to see how the new tourney schedule shapes up.

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10-01-2013 , 04:55 PM

#596

mjcace

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 9,938

The main daily/nightly tourneys added or improved are definitely better then before. I think merge still (especially now) has way too many small GTD tourneys on the schedule. I'm not recommending raising gtds but rather remove a bunch of them and timely place sattys/feeders to a few more of the daily/nightlys. Just seems to be a huge overkill of tourneys for the merge player base.

for example this is one hour of tourneys, i only see 2 sattys.

basically just giving feedback in this thread hoping someone from merge is reading. gla

Last edited by mjcace; 10-01-2013 at 04:55 PM. Reason: host if it matters

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10-01-2013 , 04:56 PM

#597

thadarkman78

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,314

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Originally Posted by IWishIWas

There is just too many tournaments. While the guarantees are low they aren't meeting them because there is a tournament at each buy in level every hour. Pretty terrible.

Not meeting the GTDs is good for all of us though. Obviously I expect after today adjustments will be made which is I'm sure why there was no tournament schedule posted after today aside from the Sunday and Saturday tournaments.

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10-01-2013 , 05:00 PM

#598

techbob77

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 101

gg, well played merge. Great 19% rakeback to 10% overnight.

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10-01-2013 , 05:07 PM

#599

m3th0d1c4l

enthusiast

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 99

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Originally Posted by mjcace

basically just giving feedback in this thread hoping someone from merge is reading. gla

+1 nicely said

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10-01-2013 , 05:18 PM

#600

Max Cut

Guest

Posts: n/a

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Originally Posted by MichelleLee

I say congrats on hitting your outs finally. Fortunately I haven't listened to you for the last year and have managed 100%+ average rake return by adapting and hitting the promos hard, whereas I would have significantly less in my bankroll if I had listened to your doomsayer advice all along. There will certainly still be ways to get value playing at Merge for those willing to figure out how and that are willing to overlook their current scumbaggery, or I should say those with enough brains to properly estimate the risk-reward ratio. NH tho, bud. Well played.

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