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01-23-2015 , 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dsl25
I don't think so.

Bovada winnings shouldn't even be included in a player's "online poker" stats. Different rules...different game. Makes no sense to compare stats of players who have the balls to show their name on other sites versus players who don't, IMHO.

Bovada is a disgrace to poker.
Your really this butthurt about Bovada?

Sorry you can't win here. And since you can't I have a hard time believing you'd win on other sites over a good sample. Go back to live 1/2 or wherever you came from, no one in this thread really wants to hear you blabber anymore.
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01-23-2015 , 01:09 AM
K if any of you regs think bovada is unbeatable cause of the anonymous tables, no ones asking you to play. In fact you're right, its a shark tank at bovada no money there, waste of time, dont bother depositing.
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01-23-2015 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by TVC21
Your really this butthurt about Bovada?

Sorry you can't win here. And since you can't I have a hard time believing you'd win on other sites over a good sample. Go back to live 1/2 or wherever you came from, no one in this thread really wants to hear you blabber anymore.
A nutless monkey could win here.

I prefer to play the game in accordance with the rules, traditions, and history of the game. It's about integrity. Not money. Maybe, one day you'll understand that, but I doubt it.
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01-23-2015 , 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by IslandGuy
The previous poast is wrong. You need to make an alias for each position. Also If you look at the hud stats in HM2 on a player, it is the stats of every player who has sat in that seat compiled into one "player".

I might not be 100% correct on this but if you go to Aliases you can probably figure it out from there.

Edit: After reading your post again I may have given bad advice. If you do what I said you will get their frequencies but you won't have an accurately constructed range. (because a 20% Pfr isn't necesarily the top 20% of V's range, but i bet you knew that)
That's pretty much what I'm saying. You can get the average of all UTG opens and look at that range, but what good is the average? You are never playing vs the average, you are playing against a certain category of player.

If you adopted the average opponent counterstrategy against the two players I listed above, you are going to be playing too loosely against one type and too tightly against the other.

You need to find the best strategy vs the first type AND the best strategy vs the second type and then use whichever strategy is called for vs the player in that seat at the table. And this is difficult to do with the small samples available to you.
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01-23-2015 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
A thought for the future - would it kill you to sometimes simply state your opinion, agree to disagree with people, and then move on?
Amen.

I mean, we get it, you dont like anonymous tables. You arent the only one fwiw. If it bothers you that bad just play somewhere else. Problem solved.
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01-23-2015 , 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dsl25
I don't think so.

Bovada winnings shouldn't even be included in a player's "online poker" stats. Different rules...different game. Makes no sense to compare stats of players who have the balls to show their name on other sites versus players who don't, IMHO.

Bovada is a disgrace to poker.
youre real dumb, thanks for link ice wolf
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01-23-2015 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Dsl25
A nutless monkey could win here.

I prefer to play the game in accordance with the rules, traditions, and history of the game. It's about integrity. Not money. Maybe, one day you'll understand that, but I doubt it.
Wow. And here I was this whole time thinking this game was about money. Silly me.

Problem is I can't pay my rent with history, traditions and integrity. So I like money.
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01-23-2015 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TVC21
Wow. And here I was this whole time thinking this game was about money. Silly me.

Problem is I can't pay my rent with history, traditions and integrity. So I like money.
Could you not make money when people could see your name?
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01-23-2015 , 02:57 AM
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Originally Posted by nomoD
That's pretty much what I'm saying. You can get the average of all UTG opens and look at that range, but what good is the average? You are never playing vs the average, you are playing against a certain category of player.

If you adopted the average opponent counterstrategy against the two players I listed above, you are going to be playing too loosely against one type and too tightly against the other.

You need to find the best strategy vs the first type AND the best strategy vs the second type and then use whichever strategy is called for vs the player in that seat at the table. And this is difficult to do with the small samples available to you.
I think you are talking about playing a GTO strat.

Any time you make an exploitive play you thus make yourself exploitable. If you are playing with loose calling stations you adjust to a more value heavy range because that is the most profitable way you know how to play against them. In doing this you have now made your range too value heavy and a player can exploit you by folding whenever you raise, until you adjust again.

If you want to play perfectly against player A without being exploited by player B, you need to play a GTO strat. If you want to get the most profit from player A and player B, you need to exploit their weaknesses.

If you just want to know about particular hands, like what the average player in the pool is doing, you need to make an alias for all other players and run a hole cards filter.
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01-23-2015 , 03:10 AM
do not tell support they are pathetic, they will doom switch you, im hoping it was only for the evening
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01-23-2015 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by IslandGuy
I think you are talking about playing a GTO strat.

Any time you make an exploitive play you thus make yourself exploitable. If you are playing with loose calling stations you adjust to a more value heavy range because that is the most profitable way you know how to play against them. In doing this you have now made your range too value heavy and a player can exploit you by folding whenever you raise, until you adjust again.

If you want to play perfectly against player A without being exploited by player B, you need to play a GTO strat. If you want to get the most profit from player A and player B, you need to exploit their weaknesses.

If you just want to know about particular hands, like what the average player in the pool is doing, you need to make an alias for all other players and run a hole cards filter.
You don't play vs the average of all players. You play vs the one extreme or the other. Trying to play vs the average of them is making a mistake vs BOTH of them.

My HEM shows that UTG player is playing 29/19. Should I try to play vs a 29/19 anytime I face Mr. UTG?
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01-23-2015 , 04:02 AM
DSL sounds like a mega salty fish who prob ran good the first time he played poker then could never figure out why he always lost after.
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01-23-2015 , 04:22 AM
So I add $300 to my Bova account and run it up to $1700 and change in under 6 hours. I cash out. I got back the thousand I donked off a year ago plus some **** off money. Played mostly double up sng's. I get the check about a week later fed ex after going through the verification gauntlet which was not too bad but a total pita. My regular bank says 7 -10 days to cash it plus a fee since it's made by a Canadian bank. I bring it to my other bank and they pop it in, no questions asked. A bunch of days go by and I decide to look at my statement for my new Visa And see this $313.00 charge and I have no clue what it is...really no clue. I call Visa, start an investigation, find out it was for a shoe purchase in China so they cancel the card and go into reissue process and "investigation." A day or 2 go by and I realize the charge was the Bova deposit LOL. I call Visa, tell them the charge was in fact legit and to drop the case and they do. One little problem, they had already done the charge back and credited the $313.69 back into my account. Well, I am not going to call them to bitch about that......so fast forward a week or 2 and I get this email, I think it had Bova in the address, not sure but it was from Bova basically saying the $313.69 you sent us was charged back so pay up...LOL again. So, The Canadian check cleared and I got my buy in back. What would you do now....a little less than a month has gone by since I got that email from Bova.
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01-23-2015 , 04:31 AM
If you ever want to play on bovada again id advise you call them up and explain the whole situation and pay them their money, pretty simple really
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01-23-2015 , 04:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dsl25
Could you not make money when people could see your name?
Probably could, but I choose to play on Bovada because of fast cashouts, fast-fold poker (my main game, which merge and WPN don't have) and the large player pool. The anonymous-or-not thing really doesn't matter a whole lot to me.
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01-23-2015 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bm303
Mac client sucks. No sound, lag, freezes, etc.
Yeah me too. I'm having the same issue after the new update from yesterday. I think the company does not test the application on Mac. They should just say they don't support for Mac.
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01-23-2015 , 10:04 AM
Is the rematch feature fcked right now?
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01-23-2015 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by MofoAgro
So I add $300 to my Bova account and run it up to $1700 and change in under 6 hours. I cash out. I got back the thousand I donked off a year ago plus some **** off money. Played mostly double up sng's. I get the check about a week later fed ex after going through the verification gauntlet which was not too bad but a total pita. My regular bank says 7 -10 days to cash it plus a fee since it's made by a Canadian bank. I bring it to my other bank and they pop it in, no questions asked. A bunch of days go by and I decide to look at my statement for my new Visa And see this $313.00 charge and I have no clue what it is...really no clue. I call Visa, start an investigation, find out it was for a shoe purchase in China so they cancel the card and go into reissue process and "investigation." A day or 2 go by and I realize the charge was the Bova deposit LOL. I call Visa, tell them the charge was in fact legit and to drop the case and they do. One little problem, they had already done the charge back and credited the $313.69 back into my account. Well, I am not going to call them to bitch about that......so fast forward a week or 2 and I get this email, I think it had Bova in the address, not sure but it was from Bova basically saying the $313.69 you sent us was charged back so pay up...LOL again. So, The Canadian check cleared and I got my buy in back. What would you do now....a little less than a month has gone by since I got that email from Bova.
Sad that you even have to ask this.
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01-23-2015 , 10:42 AM
yeah well what about my question
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01-23-2015 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MofoAgro
So I add $300 to my Bova account and run it up to $1700 and change in under 6 hours. I cash out. I got back the thousand I donked off a year ago plus some **** off money. Played mostly double up sng's. I get the check about a week later fed ex after going through the verification gauntlet which was not too bad but a total pita. My regular bank says 7 -10 days to cash it plus a fee since it's made by a Canadian bank. I bring it to my other bank and they pop it in, no questions asked. A bunch of days go by and I decide to look at my statement for my new Visa And see this $313.00 charge and I have no clue what it is...really no clue. I call Visa, start an investigation, find out it was for a shoe purchase in China so they cancel the card and go into reissue process and "investigation." A day or 2 go by and I realize the charge was the Bova deposit LOL. I call Visa, tell them the charge was in fact legit and to drop the case and they do. One little problem, they had already done the charge back and credited the $313.69 back into my account. Well, I am not going to call them to bitch about that......so fast forward a week or 2 and I get this email, I think it had Bova in the address, not sure but it was from Bova basically saying the $313.69 you sent us was charged back so pay up...LOL again. So, The Canadian check cleared and I got my buy in back. What would you do now....a little less than a month has gone by since I got that email from Bova.
Not only will you not be able to play on Bovada, they will send you to 3rd party collections to get that money back, they will also add you to a negative database that is shared amongst all the different Poker/Casino/Sportsbooks so you will not be able to play elsewhere because you will be considered a chargeback risk....
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01-23-2015 , 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by hublot
Not only will you not be able to play on Bovada, they will send you to 3rd party collections to get that money back, they will also add you to a negative database that is shared amongst all the different Poker/Casino/Sportsbooks so you will not be able to play elsewhere because you will be considered a chargeback risk....
You sound like you really know what you're talking about
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01-23-2015 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by blitzT4M4Y0theGOAT
You sound like you really know what you're talking about
It's common knowledge if you've been around here a little while.
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01-23-2015 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Dsl25
A nutless monkey could win here.

I prefer to play the game in accordance with the rules, traditions, and history of the game. It's about integrity. Not money. Maybe, one day you'll understand that, but I doubt it.
Lol, gold. Just stop then. Go play play money on stars/ftp. Poker is not about money, you can't make this **** up.
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01-23-2015 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by blitzT4M4Y0theGOAT
You sound like you really know what you're talking about
i've been managing/staking a stable of poker players for a few years and have run into some of my players that became linked to other players that chargedback and turned things into a huge cluster ****.

bottom line, these offshore sites are getting smarter and are working together to combat deadbeats that are charing back and doing fraud, so if you have found a way to make money on these sites, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
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01-23-2015 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by hublot
i've been managing/staking a stable of poker players for a few years and have run into some of my players that became linked to other players that chargedback and turned things into a huge cluster ****.

bottom line, these offshore sites are getting smarter and are working together to combat deadbeats that are charing back and doing fraud, so if you have found a way to make money on these sites, don't bite the hand that feeds you.

Well said bro
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