It is ****ty that they are taking your deposit if what you write is true, but it is definitely in their TOS that they can do it.

Post some of the e-mails or interactions that finalized their decision. You don't really have anything to lose, but may gain some 2+2 support if everything you write is true.

They've been a very trustworthy site for a bunch of punters for over 15 years, with some hiccups along the way with ****ty foreign paper checks, but everyone eventually got their money.


If they don't want people like you getting a bonus, then cashing out as soon as it is cleared that's their prerogative, and it is fine as long as they spell it out before you deposit.

it never is. bodog doesn't steal peoples' money.

it's always randos with like 5 posts on their fresh account too, spewing bull**** and not being entirely forthcoming about the situation. ever seen a long-time poster make these same sorts of claims? yea, me either.

Im still waiting for an emailing stating they're confiscating the funds they only told me that when I called in yesterday. Heres the last email I received from them.

Hi Christopher, Your account has been temporarily disabled after we found suspicious activity in your account. Your account is currently under investigation. In order for us to continue with our investigation, we require that you attach and e-mail a piece of signed photo identification. If your listed address is different than the address on your identification, we ask that you please include a utility bill no older than three (3) months old, showing your name and full address. Please allow approximately 24-48 hours for us to process your documentation. Once your documentation has been verified, an e-mail notification will be sent to you with further instructions. Please scan and email the documentation to email provided below. Regards, Bovada Security verification@bovada.lv 1-888-263-0000

Ill update here when they send me an update

Please keep posting all communications from them to you and you to them in here. If you have phone conversations then you might want to record them.

while this is usually true some people do not have longstanding 2+2 accounts. what you mentioned is relevant, however, its certainly not the end all be all when it comes to determining a posters credibility. gotta be more open minded and not think in such black/white terms. hope you been well mate.

Hi Christopher,

The investigation into your account has concluded. After a full review of the play in your account, we have found conclusive evidence of Bonus Abuse. As your actions were in violation of our players terms of agreement, your account will now remain permanently disabled, and all funds in your account have been forfeited. Please note that any accounts opened by you, or that are found to be linked to you will also be disabled, and any funds in those accounts will also be seized.

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6.8 Abuse of Bonus Programs. Bonus programs are intended for recreational bettors only. Professional players or players considered, in our sole discretion, to be abusing the bonus system by any means may have bonuses revoked and be subject to further sanctions. Bonus abuse may be defined as (but not restricted to) clients cashing out for the purpose of re-depositing, depositing on top of an existing balance, or referring new accounts that they are using themselves. Sanctions may be in the form of increased rollover requirements or loss of bonus privileges altogether for the offending Account as well as any linked Accounts. We reserve the right to restrict eligibility for special offers and bonuses when necessary. This includes (but is not limited to) placing geographic restrictions on match bonuses due to bonus abuse.

Any other casino that I have ever dealt with would remove bonuses and or close account they wouldn't take deposits and winnings. This is theft! Its what happens when you deal with unlicensed casinos. They know there is very little to no recourse. I hope that Bovada doesn't use the "sole discretion" to steal other people money here. This was my only account on bovada I never had another one and I never used another person account. More details to follow

What did you bet that they think your so pro? Obscure sporting events or something?

I imagine he just maximized every term of the bonus to a T and then promptly withdrew. They obviously believe he's an advantage player. Given their ToS, sounds like they have every right to seize his account.

Sucks, but I can understand a casino protecting their interests. Although if this was a common issue, you'd think we'd hear more about it here on 2p2.

I found a casino game on Bovada that I thought I could win on if I used bonus money to play it. I won on it, now security calls me a cheater and the head of security told me I was committing bonus abuse and says he's taking all my money.

If you go to a casino and count cards and win they don't steal your money. They pay you and ban you. Or in new jersey they pay you and don't ban you. where in there Tos does it say they can just take your money for playing the games they offered. They don't even mention anything in 6.8(I don't agree I broke this either) about taking funds or anything related to that

It sounds like you found a way to win in a game and they decided to get salty and just steal your money instead of paying it out lol. If you used one of their bonuses to play a game that they offer and won I dont see any reason for them to steal the money. If anything they should pay you and then change the game. Casinos cant offer games then decide if you win that they will just keep it. Good luck and please keep us posted.

Just how much did you bonus whore them? Can you post summarize your bets? I agree that they shouldn't confiscate deposited funds.

Did you have non-bonus funds in your account at the time you used the bonus funds for the casino game? Did you circumvent using your non-bonus funds first?

I bet 1000$ on sports and played in the casino 1500. I want to say that it shouldn't matter what I played or what anybody's strategy is. They have a right to ban me or take away promos or bonuses but taking any money especially the deposit is immoral and highly frowned upon even amongst casinos. If there was a malfunction error bug or game that functioned improperly they have every right to take the winnings. That isnt the case here

Just to make sure I'm understanding this correctly, you placed all of your actual funds on the sports bet so that you were able to solely use the bonus funds in the casino?

Yes and its not against the terms of service and not mentioned in bonus requirements or bonus TOS section. . Yes I wagered 1000$ on sports. They are very aware that people do this and are fine with it happening. I bet on games that I chose on my own and sweated them as anyone would. They are stealing my money because I won, many people who gamble think they have a way to win. For a casino to keep the money when players lose then steal it if we win is completely wrong.

Even in the TOS section that Bovada is referencing (6.8) to confiscate this money- "Professional players or players considered, in our sole discretion, to be abusing the bonus system by any means may have bonuses revoked and be subject to further sanctions(...)Sanctions may be in the form of increased rollover requirements or loss of bonus privileges altogether for the offending Account as well as any linked Accounts. "

^This is what the "sanctions" are defined as . In my case he's using 6.8 to take my deposit and winnings which is not in accordance with their own terms..

You're not the first person to be banned for something like this. Not too long ago there was a bunch of people accepting casino bonuses and putting their entire roll on a poker table so that they could use their bonus funds in the casino instead of risking their actual funds there. They consider that bonus abuse. If this situation is not spelled out in the T&C then it should be. If it's not spelled out in the T&C then I agree that you should probably be entitled to a refund of your deposit, but they obviously don't agree.

Unfortunately there's not much recourse when it comes to the decisions made by unregulated sites. That should be one of the first things taken into consideration when deciding how much money to deposit and leave on any unregulated site.

All they would have to do is in the bonus description type bonus is not allowed to be separated and or used with sports or poker and or have a bonus that doesn't separate or get rid of games that you can win with the bonus on. I would guess they don't want to because of greed. They are making a lot of money off the bonus by attracting new players and getting them gambling with bonuses and they don't care if people separate it when they have to spin like 80k or something to clear it. And if every time someone is winning they just steal the money they are really printing. They know their customers have no recourse. Its much easier to just steal your money then change the description of the bonus or TOS i guess.

I'm not sure why anyone is having trouble with Bovada Payouts.

Requested 05/08/19 at 11am
Received 05/08/19 at 6pm (7 hours total)

I have heard that liquidating your entire account sends up red flags and causes delays, but requesting payouts of less than full account balance have always been very quick on Bovada (For me anyway).

Requested small amount btc received in 9 hours.

Side question how long does it typically take you guys to get coin from blockchain to Coinbase? Just did regular fees said about an hour but that was at 8:30 this morning. On my blockchain it still has 0/3 confirmations so I’m assuming that’s why it’s just showing pending on my Coinbase. Never cashed out all the way to bank I usually send the coin elsewhere to withdraw but wanted to check out this route.

Coinbase to PayPal work well? Looking forward to that option if it doesn’t take forever/too many fees.

It depends on the fee that you pay. I’d suggest getting a Trezor wallet or something similar. You request your cash out directly to your wallet, which does not have to be plugged in for you to receive your money. Then you can transfer from your Trezor to Coinbase and select a higher fee if you were in a hurry. Either way, your bitcoin is under your control and not subject to being hacked on one of the sites.

Got my coin from block chain to Coinbase, took about 10 hours, didn’t lose any $ amount in that transfer, but Coinbase btc wallet to usd wallet was a 1.99 fee (almost 4%, percentage gets smaller with larger amounts though so no biggie I guess), then usd wallet to my PayPal account immediately even though it said it would be there tomorrow.

I’m happy.

Don't convert within Coinbase, use Coinbase Pro for that. Honestly, the only thing you should be using Coinbase for is your initial deposit to purchase crypto.

Is that a separate app, I can’t seem to find anything about it in my current Coinbase app. Are you saying this just to have less fees or is there something else?

I’m relatively new to the btc scene and usually just buy from friends to gamble online, but hopefully I have the need to withdraw on a regular basis soon.

Edit - any help advice is appreciated thanks

Yes, it's a different site but you use your same Coinbase login.

Coinbase is designed for new users, while Coinbase Pro is for the enthusiasts. The layout is a little more complex, but it's relatively easy to navigate. The fees are much lower. For example, my last withdraw to my bank account had a $7 fee from Coinbase Pro but would have cost over $40 withdrawing from Coinbase.

Just login to Coinbase Pro, select deposit, and then you can instantly transfer BTC (or whatever) from your Coinbase account to your Coinbase Pro account.

Yes, it's all a little confusing with the naming. It's because these crypto companies keep buying each other up.

Edit: As always, you should still be using a buffer wallet (blockchain, etc.) between the poker site and your Coinbase/Coinbase Pro account.

@Minnesota,
How quickly did you clear the bonus? I'm somewhat a degenerate gambler, because of maybe 50+ bonuses, I've only cleared maybe 2. Nonetheless, the terms of those bonuses are crazy! I don't even take them anymore because of the playthrough requirements. $1k deposit bonus is like what $25,000 playthrough?