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04-08-2014 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Is it possible for Bovada to allow your player notes to follow players thru multiple sessions without allowing HUDs to track them? I'm guessing not, because I can't think of any good reason they wouldn't do so. Just want confirmation.
How do you suppose that would work when your only player ID is your seat #?
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04-08-2014 , 11:54 AM
Hey guys,
I am thinking of moving to bovada and I wanted to ask a few basic questions (which I am sure have been covered before, but I appreciate you taking the time). Is there are maximum # of cash tables a player can play? Is there a max withdrawal? What is the average withdrawal time? Are all cash games anonymous? How do the mid stakes no limit games compare to other US friendly sites?

Thank you!
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04-08-2014 , 11:58 AM
4 table max

Max withdrawal depends on the method. You can do WU, check, or bank wire. Checks are a $3K max and take less than a week usually.

Everything on the site is anonymous

Well, they actually run on here, unlike other sites. In all seriousness, Bovada absolutely crushes every other US site (and most sites in the world frankly) with their cash traffic. They average 1,000 more players a night than the 2nd place American site.
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04-08-2014 , 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
How do you suppose that would work when your only player ID is your seat #?
I'm not a software engineer, that's why I asked if it's possible.
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04-08-2014 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
I'm not a software engineer, that's why I asked if it's possible.
Why would they bother to make it anonymous if you could still track peoples stats? That's kind of the whole point..
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04-08-2014 , 12:12 PM
They work on a per session or per sng/mtts once it's over the stats go with them. Still plus ev but obv not as good.
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04-08-2014 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
4 table max

Max withdrawal depends on the method. You can do WU, check, or bank wire. Checks are a $3K max and take less than a week usually.

Everything on the site is anonymous

Well, they actually run on here, unlike other sites. In all seriousness, Bovada absolutely crushes every other US site (and most sites in the world frankly) with their cash traffic. They average 1,000 more players a night than the 2nd place American site.
Has the biggest tournaments too.
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04-08-2014 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
Why would they bother to make it anonymous if you could still track peoples stats? That's kind of the whole point..
So people cant go online and ****talk about your sharkscope or ptr numbers? because notes you make on a player dont confer and unfair advantage like HUD stats passively collected? I just want to know if it's possible, I know what bovada does now.
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04-08-2014 , 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
So people cant go online and ****talk about your sharkscope or ptr numbers? because notes you make on a player dont confer and unfair advantage like HUD stats passively collected? I just want to know if it's possible, I know what bovada does now.
If you're asking if there is a way to cheat the system and track people based on their player ID number no, to my knowledge there is not. However, when they first switched over to anonymous tables this happened and they quickly fixed it. I'd probably refrain from asking how to cheat the system on a public forum though.
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04-08-2014 , 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
So people cant go online and ****talk about your sharkscope or ptr numbers? because notes you make on a player dont confer and unfair advantage like HUD stats passively collected? I just want to know if it's possible, I know what bovada does now.
You said you weren't a software engineer, but do you possess any critical thinking skills? Take 30 seconds and think it through.
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04-08-2014 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by XaQ Morphy
You said you weren't a software engineer, but do you possess any critical thinking skills? Take 30 seconds and think it through.
Well, he is a "problem eliminator".
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04-08-2014 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by iPlayPLOhigh
If you're asking if there is a way to cheat the system and track people based on their player ID number no, to my knowledge there is not. However, when they first switched over to anonymous tables this happened and they quickly fixed it. I'd probably refrain from asking how to cheat the system on a public forum though.
Are you responding to another comment or just lack reading comprehension? Nowhere did I say anything of the sort. I was asking whether Bovada doesn't allow player notes to remain past a session because it's would make blocking HUDs impossible.
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04-08-2014 , 02:53 PM
Bovada actually makes you play poker. Shocking, I know.
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04-08-2014 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by nit3.runn3r
Bovada actually makes you play poker. Shocking, I know.
When I play live I take things I learn about someone in one session into future sessions. I'm all in favor of playing poker. Apparently it was a dumb question although no one has explained why.
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04-08-2014 , 03:04 PM
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Well, he is a "problem eliminator".
Not here he isn't! lol
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04-08-2014 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Is it possible for Bovada to allow your player notes to follow players thru multiple sessions without allowing HUDs to track them? I'm guessing not, because I can't think of any good reason they wouldn't do so. Just want confirmation.
Ok, I'll take a shot since you didn't like the other answers....

Is it possible for Bovada to allow it? Yes. Well, maybe not Bovada but Bodog or whoever owns the software could. Will they allow it? No. "Blocking" HUDs and letting notes persist have nothing to do with each other. HUDs are not blocked BTW, they are just not as easy to implement now. Traditionally, HUDs grab the HH from the last hand and update. In the current Bovada client, those HHs are not written immediately to disk so the HUDs have to screen scrape or otherwise hook the window messages to gather the data. PT and HM have this capability for other sites, but PT has philosophical issues with Bovada and won't support them. Don't know the HM problem. That leaves HI and home grown HUDs as the only ones available. So, yeah, they could allow it and still "block" the HUDs (as evidenced by how the MTTs work), but they don't. tl;dr? Too bad, the others gave more concise answers and said the same thing.
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04-08-2014 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
When I play live I take things I learn about someone in one session into future sessions. I'm all in favor of playing poker. Apparently it was a dumb question although no one has explained why.
The notes would have to be saved client-side. As soon as you allow this, you'll just have dataminers collect notes (i.e. stats) and share them. Then "anonymous poker" isn't so anonymous.
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04-08-2014 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by COKE_MAN
Ok, I'll take a shot since you didn't like the other answers....

Is it possible for Bovada to allow it? Yes. Well, maybe not Bovada but Bodog or whoever owns the software could. Will they allow it? No. "Blocking" HUDs and letting notes persist have nothing to do with each other. HUDs are not blocked BTW, they are just not as easy to implement now. Traditionally, HUDs grab the HH from the last hand and update. In the current Bovada client, those HHs are not written immediately to disk so the HUDs have to screen scrape or otherwise hook the window messages to gather the data. PT and HM have this capability for other sites, but PT has philosophical issues with Bovada and won't support them. Don't know the HM problem. That leaves HI and home grown HUDs as the only ones available. So, yeah, they could allow it and still "block" the HUDs (as evidenced by how the MTTs work), but they don't. tl;dr? Too bad, the others gave more concise answers and said the same thing.
Thank you. That's the kind of answer I was looking for, whether disallowing player notes continuity was a necessity or a choice on their part. I know HUDs aren't technically blocked, but they don't function normally obviously.
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04-08-2014 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by problemeliminator
Thank you. That's the kind of answer I was looking for, whether disallowing player notes continuity was a necessity or a choice on their part. I know HUDs aren't technically blocked, but they don't function normally obviously.
Bovada does not want players taking lasting notes on players.

Their entire philosophy revolves around making it as difficult as possible, within what they and to a certain extent the community will deem as acceptable reason, for good players to empty the bankrolls of bad players so that they can empty more of it into their own pockets.

Allowing player notes goes against that philosophy, which they call their recreational player model.
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04-08-2014 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Bovada does not want players taking lasting notes on players.

Their entire philosophy revolves around making it as difficult as possible, within what they and to a certain extent the community will deem as acceptable reason, for good players to empty the bankrolls of bad players so that they can empty more of it into their own pockets.

Allowing player notes goes against that philosophy, which they call their recreational player model.
Not sure I'd use the phrase "as difficult as possible."

Good players who can sit down and play without the various online crutches of tracking software will still beat bad players.
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04-08-2014 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TuscaloosaJohnny
Not sure I'd use the phrase "as difficult as possible."
I didnt say that. You took my statement out of context. I said, "Their entire philosophy revolves around making it as difficult as possible, within what they and to a certain extent the community will deem as acceptable reason".

I believe that statement is pretty accurate and apposed to the half quote you attributed to me that is inaccurate standing alone.

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Good players who can sit down and play without the various online crutches of tracking software will still beat bad players.
I am aware that it is still possible for good players to beat bad players despite the mechanisms that Bovada has put in place to slow that process down. That, however, is totally irrelevant to anything I said.
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04-08-2014 , 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 5thStreetHog
Bovada does not want players taking lasting notes on players.

Their entire philosophy revolves around making it as difficult as possible, within what they and to a certain extent the community will deem as acceptable reason, for good players to empty the bankrolls of bad players so that they can empty more of it into their own pockets.

Allowing player notes goes against that philosophy, which they call their recreational player model.
For the most part I agree with their model. I think mass-multitabling regs, 1.50hyper and 25nl "pros" are terrible for the game of poker. Rakeback would be nice though.
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04-08-2014 , 06:37 PM
Is there a way to change filters in the scheduled tournament window so that Omaha does not show up? This is the 3rd time i have joined an omaha tournament on accident. I know I should pay more attention but there has to be a filter so that I can pay attention to my game.
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04-08-2014 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by IslandGuy
Is there a way to change filters in the scheduled tournament window so that Omaha does not show up? This is the 3rd time i have joined an omaha tournament on accident. I know I should pay more attention but there has to be a filter so that I can pay attention to my game.
I've done this a few times too. Kind of annoying. So many ways to win hands though!
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04-08-2014 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by smaug8821
I've done this a few times too. Kind of annoying. So many ways to win hands though!
At least I'm not the only one. They really need to change this. Why wouldn't they have a filter that you can set? There must be a reason.
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