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11-24-2014 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by enzet
lol at pretty easy jam, and the other guy can easily check a Q if he's somewhat balanced. i dont really get why is it an overbet allin, a smaller bet would do the same job i think, dont really know what the other guy tried to accomplish with this line, the only street he hasnt commit any chips was the street he was ahead.
yea i mean even if larrabe is capped when he quickly checks river it's still a super strong play and by no means an easy shove for that many chips.

also larrabe may be aware of his image by now and be more likely to hero but nothing suggests this is likely...he is def more likely to call if it isn't for his tourney life.

shove is best line for bluff tho prevents getting rebluffed and makes villain's calling range super narrow. can shove KT value against more stationy villains obv but no one at the FT seemed in that mood at that point.
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11-24-2014 , 10:38 AM
0-0.1% chance of getting xr bluffed on the river, and very rarely you can valueshove that hand on the river against anyone who knows the rules.
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11-24-2014 , 12:15 PM
idk watch some daniel colman FT mtt hands for some sick river shoves that get looked up realllllllll light

if you bet a size that looks like you're bet-folding then yea you can get bluffed...there is a bigger ICM tax in calling than ripping it yourself. the pot is so huge i think c-shoving an 8 would be fine to get the other guy off a chop.

as a cash game player, i appreciate it when players go for stacks on river instead of that weak 33-40% pot valuebet.
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11-24-2014 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilbury Twist
Funny, while people in this section of 2+2 found this to be the best Main Event final table in the November Nine era, and possibly one of the best ever, the Televised Poker forum had other opinions:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/37...event-1489417/
I watched all 14 hours or whatever it was over a few days. Yes it was possibly the best FT ever for skill level, and it was worth watching although maybe an edited version.

But TV wise and for rec players, it was woeful. 15 hours with zero table talk makes for **** TV and thats the cold hard fact, its not up to the players to care but Televised poker has really died now its just socially inept Maths nerds with broken English hollywooding over instant folds.
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11-25-2014 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
jvh has some sick online cash game players in his corner
the malta crew ?
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11-25-2014 , 10:54 PM
Super quality on the last 3 players. Impressive when the best 3 players left on the FT ends up playing it out together. Also seemed like the 3 players preparing the most and doing most work during the final table. Seemed like 1-2 players didnt even get info about hands from the stream during play..

Was lucky enough to rail it in Vegas with the Norwegians. My favourite hand have to be this quite sick shove by felix (17 into 14) http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...ost.236971.htm

One thing is to know hov JVH plays, another thing is to actual pull off that valueshove for your tournament life like its nothing.

For those talking about sportifying poker, top3 should be good examples of pros that look more similar to chess players and athletes.
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11-25-2014 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by brokeBluffer
the malta crew ?
Strategy crew was among others endboss Ravenswood, cobus etc. Also had Jared Tendler sitting there the whole time.

MTT players on the rail: Felix had Scott Seiver, and Martin Jacobsen had Jason Koon.

For drinking strategy Felix had Odd_Oddsen, isildr00n and some others.
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11-29-2014 , 11:40 PM
What a terrible final table. Van Hoof was the only one playing poker out there, while the rest were a bunch of useless nits. Did anyone ever raise post flop, other than Hoof the entire time?

None of them uttered a single word the entire 14 hours, where was the table talk? nitty robots.

As for the 'champion' Jacobson, what a joke. Spent almost the entire final table sitting there trying to look tough with his muscle shirt and boy band haircut, shoving a short stack 20 times, and the only time he got called he wins a flip, then later gets 22s shoved into his 10s, and then an Aces cooler. I don't see the skill in his play at all, he just luck boxed it completely, and showed these tournies are just about luck.

I think the problem is the main even has now become dominated by the outlandish prize money, rather than poker skill, so everyone is scared to actually play poker and you see the robotic nitfests like this. They should slash the prize pool in half, and get back to the title being about prestige and skill, rather than pure cash.
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11-30-2014 , 02:28 AM
Nice one. You had me going until the last sentence.
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11-30-2014 , 03:53 AM
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hollywooding over instant folds.
the only person doing that was the only rec player at the table, Politano.

Consequently, it's yet another habit that rec players are assigning to pros, when it's actually other rec players (who are trying to look like pros) who do that.
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11-30-2014 , 06:12 AM
jacobsen played better than mark glasshouse.
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11-30-2014 , 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
the only person doing that was the only rec player at the table, Politano.

Consequently, it's yet another habit that rec players are assigning to pros, when it's actually other rec players (who are trying to look like pros) who do that.
You talking about Bruno? You realize that he played several events before for the BSOP?
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11-30-2014 , 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Tutejszy
the only person doing that was the only rec player at the table, Politano.

Consequently, it's yet another habit that rec players are assigning to pros, when it's actually other rec players (who are trying to look like pros) who do that.
i thought Politano was a professional
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11-30-2014 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
What a terrible final table. Van Hoof was the only one playing poker out there
... and you see the robotic nitfests like this. They should slash the prize pool in half, and get back to the title being about prestige and skill, rather than pure cash.
i dont think it was nitfest...but they play the same scheme (the same strategy,same tricks,same semi-bluffs etc). No imagination at all. I was unable to remember any name till episode 5 or 6 of the FT... I remembered only that guy in yellow was a brasilian.
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11-30-2014 , 08:47 AM
So you want them to make bad plays so you can feel more entertained?
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11-30-2014 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Andro
So you want them to make bad plays so you can feel more entertained?
How about creativity, bluffs, aggression? rather than raise, then check fold when they miss the board or fire 1 bullet then give up when called. That tonking guy was the biggest nit I have even seen, no idea how he apparently plays high online. Cant even beat 10nl like that. Woeful.

Apparently Jacobsons short stack played was masterful , well its pretty easy when you never get called 20 times straight. He could have been shoving anything. At least he did a nice move to take out Hoof, but the rest were woeful.

Stevenson was the weakest little nit, spent the whole final table getting beat up by HHH, then comes second. Joke.
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12-08-2014 , 11:15 AM
Newhouse was the only player that played with the desire to win. Everyone else at that table was playing to last and get as high up in the money as possible. Newhouse saw an opportunity to take down a huge pot and went for it. Unfortunately for him Donking called him in a spot where he's almost always losing.
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12-08-2014 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Apparently Jacobsons short stack played was masterful , well its pretty easy when you never get called 20 times straight. He could have been shoving anything.
This. Had anyone woken up with a hand we wouldn't even be talking about Martin Jacobson right now. The fact is that in order to win a tournament this large you have to get lucky in key moments. Don't get me wrong you have to play well too.
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