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11-13-2014 , 04:17 AM
I just want to know what tonking put Newhouse on when he called him. his hand looks like AJ KJ so much. Does he really think he is value betting a smaller pair? He can't have bluffs in his range with his turn bet. Such a weird confounding hand. I think he just decided to go with it no matter what
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11-13-2014 , 04:31 AM
good players put their opponents on a range of hands....not whatever happens to run out on the board.

ex. you open KK in the CO and get flatted by the BB....just because the board runs out Axxxx doesn't mean your KK is no good if they happen to bet.
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11-13-2014 , 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MerginHosOn24s
good players put their opponents on a range of hands....not whatever happens to run out on the board.

ex. you open KK in the CO and get flatted by the BB....just because the board runs out Axxxx doesn't mean your KK is no good if they happen to bet.
Ah...a non-believer...where do you play? What do you look like?
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11-13-2014 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by massivetilt99
I just want to know what tonking put Newhouse on when he called him. his hand looks like AJ KJ so much. Does he really think he is value betting a smaller pair? He can't have bluffs in his range with his turn bet. Such a weird confounding hand. I think he just decided to go with it no matter what
( ) valuebetting smaller pairs
( ) no bluffs in range
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11-13-2014 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by massivetilt99
I just want to know what tonking put Newhouse on when he called him. his hand looks like AJ KJ so much. Does he really think he is value betting a smaller pair? He can't have bluffs in his range with his turn bet. Such a weird confounding hand. I think he just decided to go with it no matter what
Been thinking about this hand also. If newhouse had AJ suited he likely would have played it the exact same way. The guy saying o tonking put him on a range pre flop , ya ur right and there's no way that range wouldn't include Kj suited aj suited. Sure it was the right call and worked out for him but damn balls of steel. It was new houses loose aggressive ass image that did him in. I think it's likely any other of the 7 players make that move (not sure they ever would ) tonking folds. Agreed?
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11-13-2014 , 10:25 AM
Tonking said after the hand he would've snapped if it wasn't the ME fwiw.
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11-13-2014 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by berbz007
Tonking said after the hand he would've snapped if it wasn't the ME fwiw.

Ya and I thought that was bs fwiw
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11-13-2014 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Ambedexteras
Been thinking about this hand also. If newhouse had AJ suited he likely would have played it the exact same way. The guy saying o tonking put him on a range pre flop , ya ur right and there's no way that range wouldn't include Kj suited aj suited. Sure it was the right call and worked out for him but damn balls of steel. It was new houses loose aggressive ass image that did him in. I think it's likely any other of the 7 players make that move (not sure they ever would ) tonking folds. Agreed?
So you're saying if he had AJ or KJ he would have misplayed this hand as he did with TT? That's probably correct but then wouldn't he have also misplayed like this it with all of his small pocket pairs too? Also, doesn't he have air a portion of the time?

Regardless, simply because AJ and KJ may be in Newhouse's range doesn't make this a fold.
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11-13-2014 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Ambedexteras
Ya and I thought that was bs fwiw
It's a super easy snap call in the cash games he plays in.
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11-13-2014 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Ambedexteras
Ya and I thought that was bs fwiw
Lol no
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11-13-2014 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by massivetilt99
I just want to know what tonking put Newhouse on when he called him. his hand looks like AJ KJ so much. Does he really think he is value betting a smaller pair? He can't have bluffs in his range with his turn bet. Such a weird confounding hand. I think he just decided to go with it no matter what
KJ is a clear fold pre vs tonking's 3bet range imo. AJ he folds a lot too. Super snap call for tonking, esp as Newhouse shoved after like 5 seconds iirc.
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11-13-2014 , 02:42 PM
I gotta ask. Tonking had QQ, but from Newhouse's perspective was JJ out of the question? He could have well been shoving into quads...
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11-13-2014 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
I gotta ask. Tonking had QQ, but from Newhouse's perspective was JJ out of the question? He could have well been shoving into quads...
Tonking is so bad he probably checks JJ on the flop if he even 3-bets it.
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11-13-2014 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by massivetilt99
I just want to know what tonking put Newhouse on when he called him. his hand looks like AJ KJ so much. Does he really think he is value betting a smaller pair? He can't have bluffs in his range with his turn bet. Such a weird confounding hand. I think he just decided to go with it no matter what
I think you are overlooking the fact that if Newhouse actually had a Jack, they would have been all-in way before the river.
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11-13-2014 , 05:53 PM
Honestly one of the worst bluffs Ive seen, he credibly reps e few AJs or maaaybe Aces thats not alot! We give him quads just to be nice even though he might chback turn, 3b pre, or just getting it in pre vs the sqeeze

Since when do anyone flat Ajo, kjo and call a sqeeze in pos when they are covered here. Mistakes are made on river with pressure on and lot in the middle and the pain of being left with only 10 mil chips, pre I expekt even him to play abit better.

The only reason to believe him is if you know he cant be stupid enough to bluff 10s on that river repping nothing, who could have known.

Also: Im getting the feeling he might show up here with AQ alot to the ppl referring to him having no bluffs. Obv gotta give him big credit though for making the back to back very sick accomplishment.

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11-13-2014 , 06:19 PM
If final 3 did an ICM chop, this is what each would have received:

Chips Player ICM Payout Finish Actual payout
89.6 Mil Van Hoof $7,039,870 Third $3,806,402
64.7 Mil Jacobson $6,285,843 First $10,000,000
46.1 Mil Stephensen $5,626,655 Second $5,145,968

http://www.icmpoker.com/icmcalculator/#yYvT
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11-13-2014 , 06:28 PM
It would have been interesting if Tonking would have dropped his cards off the table when he slammed over his queens versus Newhouse. One of them actually did come off the table.
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11-13-2014 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ActionFreak
It would have been interesting if Tonking would have dropped his cards off the table when he slammed over his queens versus Newhouse. One of them actually did come off the table.
yeah man would of been so awesome if they fistpump-killed his hand(on National TV) before shipping the pot to Newhouse instead....and watching as amateurs around the world insta cancelled their plans to play the WSOP ME in 2015.

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11-13-2014 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerIsTooEasy
It's a super easy snap call in the cash games he plays in.
So? That shouldn't play a factor in this situation.
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11-13-2014 , 08:46 PM
Tongking found Darvin's queens.
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11-13-2014 , 09:36 PM
I want to know what all his bouncing on post bustout interview was about

A good psychologist must know
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11-13-2014 , 09:42 PM
i woulda snapped had it not been the ft of the main bruhhhhh
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11-14-2014 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by GoingSouth
I want to know what all his bouncing on post bustout interview was about

A good psychologist must know
Lol im no Dr but pretty sure he was trying not to cry like a baby back bitch.

Agreed the b2b is so pimp but damn my heart broke a lil when he went 9th again I can only imagine his poor cocaine riddled heart as it sank in lol
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11-14-2014 , 09:24 AM
Some interesting tax info about the final table . Good thing for martin jacobson living in London or he woulda paid 5.1 million in taxes.
http://www.taxabletalk.com/2014/11/1...ries-of-poker/
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11-14-2014 , 09:34 AM
not a coincidence that the top 3 all 'live' in London, despite being from elsewhere in the EU
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