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Why don't we see any gifted 18-21 year olds rising up through the stakes in the way we used to? Why don't we see any gifted 18-21 year olds rising up through the stakes in the way we used to?

04-24-2018 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LETIGRA
I guess but I'm talking about consistently. But specifically what is your plan to make that money online. We are definitely looking at 70+ hours of play a week and you must play plo 10/20 on bovada and every site available of course.

It's a goal but how can you reach it in America.
Well, like you mentioned, play every site available. There is more mid-highstakes cash running on various American sites than there is on PokerStars atm, if you weren't aware.
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04-24-2018 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
Yeah, a guy who has to travel outside of the country to play in high variance games that don't run 24/7 has a losing year over a small sample is no longer a professional. Please, can you inform us how many millions of dollars you made from poker, the name of your very successful training site, and when your online poker site is going live?

Also, can we hear more about how good Blitz is at poker? Maybe you convince him to come play WPN HU some more, I'm sure he'd crush all those "pros"!
I'm just saying that I would never have a losing year. I don't have his ego to write AMA's on reddit about winning 10 million and I would certainly drop limits if I was having even close to a losing year.

I said above that Blitz is good at life not poker. I saw that heads up misread the board match on a straight lol.

To answer your last three questions, I'm not a good teacher so I only play. Phil's site is never going live so we are on pace with each other there.

1.1M all documented by the IRS, all online cash, all from America.

# of losing years : 0

Also, I want to bring up the point that the most difficult thing about being a pro is obviously federal and state. People like Patrick Antonius and people in the UK (i think) don't pay taxes on poker winnings so it's a lot easier compared to the 35%+ often taken by our gov;t

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04-24-2018 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
Btw, bump is one of the all time worst posters on 2+2. Literally every post is how poker is a dead end yet here he/she is posting every day on a poker forum.
Just want to say that he has 2160 posts since he joined in 2008. That is not posting every day. I also like to hear his opinions and the opinions of any grinders (such as that guy who came in here saying he's been a midstakes reg since '07 and would advise anyone against becoming a pro).

I like it when discussions are filled with realism and cold hard facts, which guys like bump and upswinging are bringing to this thread.

Too many people are just wishful thinkers. Without actually analyzing the reality of the situation.
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04-24-2018 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Maybe instead of arguing over the Internet you should be improving your life situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy

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Hypocrisy is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another.
Maybe you should quit while you're behind...
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04-24-2018 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
At this point plenty of people have checked out your pgc and have concluded: you're a degen with mental issues, unemployed, living in your car and trying to live out a poker pro fantasy. Whatever you have to say about anything poker or life is just lol.

Maybe instead of arguing over the Internet you should be improving your life situation. Bump and others have given plenty of advice and I've also given pointers for long term poker success.
I'm not one to come in on the Rich side of things very often, but he was bang on that your posts are full of ad hominems and straw men. And then when he calls you on it, your only reply is more ad hominems.

You should've not bothered replying rather than just confirming his point.

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Originally Posted by upswinging
I agree with DC, I think poker is still a viable option but it's not easy and you gotta have a gifted mind and a passion for poker, not just NLHE. If you look at what the crushers were doing before the NLHE boom you'd find they were playing all the games. Now that nlhe isn't as popular they're back to playing all the games.
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Studying and grinding NLHE in 2018 is the same as studying a dead language. It serves no purpose other than mental masterbation.
Wow, what changed in 3 hours?

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Dude, if you don't want people to comment on your chosen lifestyle maybe don't lay it all out there on an internet message board for all to see.

Just a thought.
Of course. But "what do you know, you're living out of your car" isn't a valid argument. If he's out to lunch on something, it should be easy enough to demonstrate how he is wrong.
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04-24-2018 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
I like it when discussions are filled with realism and cold hard facts, which guys like bump and upswinging are bringing to this thread..
Yes we need more cold hard facts from bumpnrun and upswinging.....

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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
I would have been postulating away just like these immature deluded fools who are essentially wrecking their lives by dedicating some of the best parts of it to a stupid card game

The pro poker brigade can win at poker but most of them are absolute garbage human beings and losers at life.
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Originally Posted by upswinging
You're homeless. You live in a ****ing car. You're a "pro" playing on a nonexistent br. And it appears you've burned all bridges in your life to the point your mother won't even co sign for you. You think health insurance is a scam. And you claim to be a genius. WTF?!?!?

What am I missing? It seems bump summed up your situation pretty accurately.
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Originally Posted by Sir Huntington
It's one thing to bring some realism. It's another thing entirely to spam a thread with garbage posts filled with negativity. I'm not arguing one side or the other, I'll just argue that as a lurker of this thread Bump needs to stop posting.
+1

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Dude, if you don't want people to comment on your chosen lifestyle maybe don't lay it all out there on an internet message board for all to see.

Just a thought.
I don't care if people want to comment on my lifestyle though, otherwise I wouldn't have posted about it on an internet forum .

upswinging is just making ad hominem attacks ITT because he can't win the argument. It's irrelevant to the argument.

What does my living in my car have to do with why we don't see 18-21 year olds rising up through the ranks? Nothing.

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04-24-2018 , 04:59 PM
Thyme I said NL is dead. I didn't say poker was dead. To be more specific NL is dead in the scope of living middle-upper class life through playing NL cash exclusively. Low stakes NL games are still fun and extremely soft but you won't make much money.

I'm 90% confident with ~100 hours of devoted study + ~100 hours of low stakes online + post session analysis, any winning NL player can be a big winner in 20/40 and or 30/60 mixed games. Which has tremendous upside going forward with more play and study.

It's true that people are crushing and they are unknowns. It's because they're all playing mixed games (and have been for many years).
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04-24-2018 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
What does my living in my car have to do with why we don't see 18-21 year olds rising up through the ranks? Nothing.
Well, if I was an 18-21 year old reading your PG&C I think I would seriously reconsider becoming a full time poker player.

The dream just doesn't look all that glamorous anymore.
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04-24-2018 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Well, if I was an 18-21 year old reading your PG&C I think I would seriously reconsider becoming a full time poker player.

The dream just doesn't look all that glamorous anymore.

To be fair, he's like the posterchild of what not to do. I mean, guy played a tournament that was 50% of his entire net worth and took 100% of his own action.
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04-24-2018 , 07:51 PM
He's not the only one living in his car though.
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04-24-2018 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by upswinging
Thyme I said NL is dead. I didn't say poker was dead. To be more specific NL is dead in the scope of living middle-upper class life through playing NL cash exclusively. Low stakes NL games are still fun and extremely soft but you won't make much money.

I'm 90% confident with ~100 hours of devoted study + ~100 hours of low stakes online + post session analysis, any winning NL player can be a big winner in 20/40 and or 30/60 mixed games. Which has tremendous upside going forward with more play and study.

It's true that people are crushing and they are unknowns. It's because they're all playing mixed games (and have been for many years).
I don't know anyone personally who plays mix games on a regular basis. There is 0 place to play them online(for Americans) and very few places across the country where you can find them running often(clearly a few places have plenty). The majority of people I know making significant money at poker are playing the Cadillac itself, NL Texas Hold Em' and some play PLO or both.

Of course the action in PLO and other games is usually much better, but people are in fact still terrible at the 2 card game, even online,though those games have become harder to find.
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04-25-2018 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by HugeStacks
What if I'm a US player who - with online and live play combined (starting at $1/2 casino games as a first time live player) - cleared $250k in a 12 month period within the next few years? Still pretty gifted? Because that's a great goal for me to set for myself then.


Here’s just one of these souls who needs saving.

You can run good for 2 years in a pretty insignificant sample, then call yourself gifted-bulletproof. Right. Sincerely hope you don’t take this path and if you do you survive the crash relatively unharmed. Because most people who decide to become professional gamblers do not
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04-25-2018 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Well, if I was an 18-21 year old reading your PG&C I think I would seriously reconsider becoming a full time poker player.

The dream just doesn't look all that glamorous anymore.
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Originally Posted by YGOchamp
To be fair, he's like the posterchild of what not to do. I mean, guy played a tournament that was 50% of his entire net worth and took 100% of his own action.
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
He's not the only one living in his car though.
BroadwaySushy if you want to use me as an example of what being a pro poker player looks like, go ahead. You might as well go down to skid row, take some failed actor heroin addict bum, and use him as an example of how hard it is to make it in Hollywood. While ignoring the A-list celebs, people who actually made it, etc.

I'm not an example of a pro poker player. I'm an example of a delusional bum. Quit being obtuse.

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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Haven’t been on a few days. After a mild rebuke by PM I would have to agree the words “garbage humans” was a bit too much fire, even for me.

****ing lol at these idiots like rich checkmaker who thinks people are bitter they couldn’t be a pro poker player. Yeah 30 hours a week in cruddy casinos looks like peak happiness dude.

Congrats on your amazing life achievement, pros.

Freshtyme lol every day ...I’m hardly on here. So you have a family but would play 30 hours a week on top on FT work if possible, father of the year aren’t you
Calling me and others idiots.... Insulting Freshtymes parenting.....

Welcome back to the thread!
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04-25-2018 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
Well, like you mentioned, play every site available. There is more mid-highstakes cash running on various American sites than there is on PokerStars atm, if you weren't aware.
easier to make money as a ROW for sure. if not, everyone would not have moved outside of america to play poker.

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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Freshtyme lol every day ...I’m hardly on here. So you have a family but would play 30 hours a week on top on FT work if possible, father of the year aren’t you
well that's a little harsh as well as all of your comments basically attacking rick every post. If he makes money playing poker outside of a full time job from home that is being a great father. Hard working too. If he makes 10k extra outside of work in a year that can go a long way towards his family.

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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
I don't know anyone personally who plays mix games on a regular basis. There is 0 place to play them online(for Americans)
ScotchOnDaRocks/ Kevin Haney? He is a poster/player who gets paid each month to write articles for twoplustwo magazine on mixed games. They are very hot right now, although i'm such a 5 card omahaholic that I don't quite understand why.

The 12 game runs at but all the highest stakes on swcpoker if you are ever looking for action. it's available world wide.

also, i see galfond is actually opening a site but not available to americans. so i was wrong there.

still sucks if not available to usa.

i figure if everyone is derailing this thread i can add my 2 cents as well..
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04-25-2018 , 04:08 PM
definitely easier to print money playing ignition than "ROW" sites
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04-25-2018 , 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Checkmaker
BroadwaySushy if you want to use me as an example of what being a pro poker player looks like, go ahead. You might as well go down to skid row, take some failed actor heroin addict bum, and use him as an example of how hard it is to make it in Hollywood. While ignoring the A-list celebs, people who actually made it, etc.

I'm not an example of a pro poker player. I'm an example of a delusional bum. Quit being obtuse.
You admit in your PGC that you are an aspiring pro. So maybe you are a good example in actual fact. A good example of the delusion that comes with that aspiration.

Like I said you are not the only one living in your car trying to be a pro and PGCing about it. I mean PGC is full of aspiring poker pros. How many of them do you think will actually make it past the first year?
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04-25-2018 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by bumpnrun
Freshtyme lol every day ...I’m hardly on here. So you have a family but would play 30 hours a week on top on FT work if possible, father of the year aren’t you
There you go again projecting your own short comings onto others. Not that hard to find 2-4 hours a day to play. I wake up at 5 AM everyday to play for a few hours and play when everyone is sleeping/on my day off for just a few hours, easy game.
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04-25-2018 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
There you go again projecting your own short comings onto others. Not that hard to find 2-4 hours a day to play. I wake up at 5 AM everyday to play for a few hours and play when everyone is sleeping/on my day off for just a few hours, easy game.
That doesn't sound like fun at all.
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04-25-2018 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
That doesn't sound like fun at all.
It isn't supposed to, that's what the beach and Disney World are for.
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04-25-2018 , 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
It isn't supposed to, that's what the beach and Disney World are for.
Lmao ty for fighting stupidity with comedy
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04-25-2018 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
definitely easier to print money playing ignition than "ROW" sites
As usual it's good to be an American.
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04-26-2018 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by FreshThyme
I don't know anyone personally who plays mix games on a regular basis. There is 0 place to play them online(for Americans) and very few places across the country where you can find them running often(clearly a few places have plenty). The majority of people I know making significant money at poker are playing the Cadillac itself, NL Texas Hold Em' and some play PLO or both.

Of course the action in PLO and other games is usually much better, but people are in fact still terrible at the 2 card game, even online,though those games have become harder to find.
The % of guys making significant money long term in NL are about as numerous as the % of online "good regs" who have lasted long term as adam mentioned. It's a myth. Many solid pgcs that "failed" are a testament to that as well.

There are numerous high stakes mixed games found around the country. But you're right about the limited selection of mid stakes games. All I was saying is that's where a motivated 18-21 year old should look if they want to play poker professionally. I think it would take a lot of work and independent study to get there (no different than any other real job), but it's realistically the only way to have a nice life playing professionally (i.e. Middle-upper class lifestyle in a nice area with a family as the sole income provider).

The guys grinding 2/5 and 5/T can barely support themselves let alone support middle-upper class family lifestyle.
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04-26-2018 , 01:13 AM
the vast majority of guys making significant money long term in NL don't brag about it mate, pgcs that failed are irrelevent
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04-26-2018 , 01:41 AM
Oh really. So how many guys making significant money long term are there compared to the failures? What percentage would you say?

That would be relevant.
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04-26-2018 , 01:50 AM
A straw man argument as a retort? Can you come up with better?
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