my mouth is wide open at how funny the universe is sometimes

after ranting about this clowns claims itt i then see my first ever poker training ad on facebook. it was the scammiest pile of trash i have ever seen in my life. when i say that im not being dramatic. the misleading and predatory nature of their claims is truly shocking

oh and of course when i come back here to check what site this guy is repping, its the same one

heres a video which is mild compared to the facebook ad

100k system!

you get 100k!

you get 100k!

everyone gets 100k!!!!!

It's B then, gl to you

I'd rather suspect:

D) Very smart, capitalizing on his clients' 1% heaters

no, its more like C.

Don't know if we can call BPC a scam just yet, but its def. very shady. First of they are doing tons of false advertising about what they offer and they do their best with every ad to make their program look like a scam. Same goes for their website which makes ridic. statements about poker and coaching in general and seems to be targeting clueless people. They are freerolling heaters, because their programs are not obv free, u have to make a "security deposit" which u will lose if u quit the program. Anything outside of the "program" is obv also not free. BPC website is just so ridic. lmao i mean it really seems like a scam, so it prolly is.

@JuanValdez:

Among students were The worlds #1 SNG player in 2015, we work with the worlds best database specialist (Alan Jackson) etc...

Think whatever you want. You just sound like a bitter guy.

Timstone and Venividi can have some laughs and make fun, that's ok, i have humor about a 2011 video. I can respect people who have been around for years

Best wishes!

I dunno if I'm delusional but I feel like plenty of people are going to make over 100k this year, high stakes action has dried up a lot but there are plenty of bad players still at midstakes

No idea about 3 yrs from now though, in my case I'm more worried about a legislation preventing me to play in a near future

wasn't a dig at you. a certain coach who may or may have not sent me a threatening cease and desist letter may or may not have been selling a 100k microstakes series a few years ago written by a coach who was up like 10k lifetime in games where the top winners were banking 50k.

ever since then when ive seen coaches touting that my face melts a little.

All coaches did was find another way to profit from poker. In doing so, they undoubtedly made it tougher for pros to make it. But so what? Adapt or die.

Offhand I can think of a few reasons that I've seen.

1. Ego - It's a nice ego boost.
2. Inexperience - This is a big one, a newish player who is has recently been doing well is taken advantage off. This is where the good content is.
3. Opportunities for a not very good player.

@venivid: its allright...

lol .... i think its likely the same guy who also tried to spread lies about us and even signed with fake names. Coaches certainly dont have a good rep in general

if its "lethargic tendency" from "24 hour fluctuation" plz plm me the details

Training sites have brought in A TONNE of recreational players too. I'm not so sure they are that bad, the ratio of regs produced to recs brought in has been very 'economy friendly'. Content that does well is more often entertainment then education. Especially when the educational content is more often then not from some breakeven to losing grinder who is no longer profitable.

It's only recently that this has become an issue. I think this is a bit of witch hunt and if we're looking for causes of a **** poker environment we'd do better looking elsewhere.

Have u looked at russisn ptr? Just make a little search for nl and 100-1k
for last year. There were maybe 5 guys who made 100k pre rb LAST YEAR. Granted a couple of zoom 500 guys did as well. So i dont feel that there were "plenty" of guys making that much and that number will go down from year to year




A training site doesnt bring ONE SINGLE RECREATIONAL PLAYER. If i'm interested in poker i google it, make an account, play AND THEN I MIGHT SEARCH FOR EDUCATION TO GET BETTER.
Not a single player who never played b4 is going on DC, studies 2 weeks and then starts depositing. And even if he would it would already be a disaster bc he would only lose marginally (less than -10bb)

You can't just ignore rakeback. It's a significant portion of most players' winnings.

You cant, but rb just went down 30-60% on stars and it went down 100% at 1k+. And their major competitor decreased as well last week. So yes, with rakeback there were a couple more people banking 6 digits. And that number will go down year after year after year.

What a brilliant observation. Of course that won't happen.

Recently my work/adventure has taken me into the world of poker psychology and poker mental coaching (with the publication of my latest book Real Poker Psychology). One of the things I discovered is a huge emphasis on setting and achieving goals. Of course I see things differently and your comment is a good example.

I believe in working on those things where your interest is and then to seize opportunities as they come up. This is exactly what happened to me and I suspect it will also happen to some of the people who got started with instructional videos.

(If you want to read more about where I'm coming from, see the chapters on "Non-Self Weighting Strategies" in my book Gambling Theory and Other Topics.)

Mason

Hi LektorAJ:

This is a good example of what I'm talking about. By seizing an opportunity your life moved forward in a positive way.

Best wishes,
Mason

VV and Tmistone,

Why is it everytime a coaching/training site thread comes up in NVG you two post bomb the heck out of it saying how bad it is for the game. Even though you both were involved in them. And Mr. Stoen, what are your thoughts on seat scripts and other boarderline legal software?

The majority of people who go to training sites, watch a few videos and that's it.

Watching sauce play 30 hands once a month isn't going ot make you a better player. It does keep people interested and depositing.

Ok, lets get something straight here:

I started playing recreationally in 2005 on europoker and i started playing for a living accidentally after finding no job after i quite.

In that entire time i havent had a single hour of coaching, not a single one. I dont even have software like teamviewer on my computer. I didnt give a single hour of coaching and i get alot of requests for it, or asked how to get started on facebook. I TELL EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM THAT IT ISNT MY INTEREST FOR THEM TO GET GOOD HENCE I WILL NOT SHARE ANY STRATEGY/ADVICE in any way.
In over 10 years of poker i was subscribed to DC for 2 months, thats it and until late mid last year i have never seen a video of leggo, RIO, Ivey League or whatever. I never subscribed with them either. RIO asked me twice and i told them GFY (LITERALLY) and alot more. I didnt even asked them how much i would get to be an instructor.

So please say about me whatever you want to but i was never in any way affiliated with any sort of education. And i wont ever be affiliated with any sort of education in a thing where you have the potential to earn ****loads of money bc its ultimatively not worth it
The worst thing i did was write a blog about my whereabouts AND IN RETROSPECT THAT BLOG PROBABLY DID MORE DAMAGE OVERALL THAN IT POLISHED MY EGO even though i gave pretty much close to zero advice there but may have motivated the one or other person to put in the extra work to make a life.

So please excuse me that i'm pissed off. I AM WHERE I AM BECAUSE I PUT IN THE WORK, i didnt watch a couple of videos, got a coach, a strategy skype group or whatever - was that smart? probably not but it was the way i chose to do things.

ONLINE POKER is going to crash and burn completely for anybody who is involved currently independant on what stakes you play by 2020. I realized that and i'm working on a way out. But yes, i'm pissed, because ultimatively it couldve been avoided if enough people would've not only looked 2 weeks ahead.


Rgd seatingscripts:
On Stars its not a borderline illegal tool, on Stars currently its clearcut legal. Before seating scripts i got every single jesus seat on my stakes bc i was so much better in handling the lobby than everybody else. Today i may get 25% of seats i want to get bc other guys are just closer to the server. Bc of seatingscripts i had ultimatively move back to europe in order to continue to play for a living (latency - adapt or die you know).
I also was one of the first ones to have a seating script. I told nobody, i didnt share it, i didnt sell it, nobody knew about it. That script had a random delay so that i would never instantly sit. However people started once again discussing aka educating other people here on 2+2 that some players might have seating scripts (those guys who were too greedy to implement a delay - HELLO SUBLIME). Instead of just stfu for once and get their own and make money while they can they decided once again to inform the entire community. 2 weeks later we had the first commerical script, 8 weeks later we had 4-5 official sites selling them and alot of underground coders.

if i learned one thing in 8 years of poker it is that people just cant stfu and enjoy what they have. And because of this every single one of us will end up with nothing in the end. and you know what people will learn out of this? NOTHING

No,

While i'm not a bcp member, I have learned a ton from gordon/thinkitthrough. And you cherry picked a horrible video. I can't find the link but if you ever see his youtube poker life balance video, it is life changing.

To say no one will make 100k is insane. A lot of his preaching/coaching is about being great, working long hours, not getting drunk/horsing around, and putting your 'all' into something to be 30X the person you are.

I'm a fixed limit aficionado else I would join his team but let me tell you about imagination:

Lots of doctors and surgeons attorneys architects work 60-90 hours a week in america. We agree right? How do they do that? One way is to be passionate about it and have a desire to be great.

Ok, forget that for a second and consider this: Ill bet you consider fixed limit holdem dead. Well not only can I make well over 30 bucks an hour at a dead game IN america, I am constantly studying cepheus to increase my hourly.

Someone who is lazy and not working hard is working 160 hrs a month. Well, that means you don't have a passion for what you do. Passionate people work way more than that.

Lets say you work i.e. grind poker 250 hours a month. That's 3000 hours a year. If your hourly is $34 you made over 100k.

You will say that's a billion hours and you have no life but go out in the real world and see how they don't give a crap to make you work 60 hours a week and pay you even less.

Yeah the 90 dollar hourlies of the past where you just smoke weed and play poker 25 hours a week are gone. But the money is not gone.

The money isnt gone yet but it will be couple of years from now. I work 250hours+/month for 8 years straight now and every month my hourly gets a hit. Its probably a third of wat it was with me getting better and better working harder and harder. Thats not v sustainable if you realistic and i want to be out once nl100 is considered midstakes, rakeback is zero and a good hourly is 10bucks. And this time will come and it will come alot quicker than people think

So the games got much worse but if you grind like a slave you can still make a little money.

Is this a post for or against training sites?

how many hrs/day you play?