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Thread derailing about european v american views on gun control, etc from EPT Berlin robbery Thread derailing about european v american views on gun control, etc from EPT Berlin robbery

03-07-2010 , 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Vox Populi
UK police don't routinely carry guns. I doubt anyone was tooled up at the Hilton in October.
they do in l'pool :-(
03-07-2010 , 05:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SlevinUp
These are so19, there a specialist branch, the only place you will see them by default is at airports and wherever politicians are.
come to liverpool city centre one day....
03-07-2010 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by LoginNameExists
[ ] Uk police don't carry guns

naa the ones with those weird long hoodies have no guns..do they call them bobbies?
03-07-2010 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by LoginNameExists
come to liverpool city centre one day....
Merseyside police do not carry guns as a default and armed police do not patrol. If you see armed police, they are protection or have been called to a incident involving lethal weapons
03-07-2010 , 05:19 PM
Bull**** ... i'm sorry but i have on a number of occasions walked past armed police officers in liverpool city centre ... or you telling me my eyes don't work and yes they were walking around, not investigating an incident.

You have to remember that Liverpool is the closest to Ireland in terms of police policies (Ireland i believe all officers are permitted to carry a firearm?) i was a surprised as you are reading this to see it myself.

"Metropolitan Police firearms officers usually patrol on-foot more often than those outside of London, due to the large geographic area the Metropolitan Police are responsible for ...."

Last edited by LoginNameExists; 03-07-2010 at 05:24 PM.
03-07-2010 , 05:24 PM
except that the police in Ireland don't actually carry guns.....
03-07-2010 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SlevinUp
except that the police in Ireland don't actually carry guns.....
The Ministry of Defence Police, Civil Nuclear Constabulary and Police Service of Northern Ireland (formerly the Royal Ulster Constabulary) are issued firearms as a matter of routine


end of ownage.
03-07-2010 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by LoginNameExists
The Ministry of Defence Police, Civil Nuclear Constabulary and Police Service of Northern Ireland (formerly the Royal Ulster Constabulary) are issued firearms as a matter of routine


end of ownage.
[ ] ownage


[ ] PSNI / RUC is Ireland

[ x ] PSNI / RUC is United Kingdom
03-07-2010 , 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by abrblja
Horatio would easily get robbers face from the reflection of the window.


Are you making this stuff up? I'm from Europe and I've never heard that cops aren't allowed to have weapons. Please name a country that has these laws.
Ireland up until recently did not allow the police to carry weapons. Now some may carry them in the boot of the cars. We had special branch but very few.

Basically you rob in ireland with weapons, for the first 20 mins you're pawning
03-07-2010 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by xenthebrain
Yeah, cause its so much better when people die in situations like this.
Exactly, glad you understand. ;P

Your right, just lay down and let them take what they want and hope it's not your life. Maybe next time they will take your wife or daughter too, don't upset them or get violent or anything. And people wonder why Islamic extremeist laugh at Western cultures.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

It appears there is side thread to address these issues, I will refrain from posting here.

Last edited by Berak; 03-07-2010 at 10:02 PM.
03-07-2010 , 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Berak
Exactly, glad you understand. ;P

Your right, just lay down and let them take what they want and hope it's not your life. Maybe next time they will take your wife or daughter too, don't upset them or get violent or anything. And people wonder why Islamic extremeist laugh at Western cultures.

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

It appears there is side thread to address these issues, I will refrain from posting here.
Yes, in Europe, there are more robberies than in the US... You, sir, are stupid.
03-08-2010 , 03:21 AM
From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Germany:
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A firearms ownership license (Waffenbesitzkarte) must be obtained before a weapon can be purchased. Owners of multiple firearms need separate ownership licenses for every single firearm they own. It entitles owners to purchase firearms and handle them on their own property and any private property with property owner consent. On public premises, a licensed firearm must be transported unloaded and in a stable, fully enclosing, locked container. A weapons ownership license does not entitle the owner to shoot the weapon or carry it on public premises without the prescribed container. Firearms ownership licenses are valid three years or less, and owners must obtain mandatory insurance and a means to securely store the weapon on their premises (a weapons locker). Blanket ownership licenses are sometimes issued to arms dealers.

A number of criteria must be met before a firearms ownership license is issued: age of consent (18 years for rimfire calibers/21 years for higher calibers) (§ 4 WaffG), trustworthiness (§ 5 WaffG), personal adequacy (§ 6 WaffG), expert knowledge (§ 7 WaffG), and necessity (§ 8 WaffG) (Necessity is automatically assumed present for licensed hunters and owners of a carry permits (Waffenschein)).

Persons who are convicted felons, have a record of mental disorder or are deemed unreliable (which includes people with drug or alcohol addiction histories and known violent or aggressive persons) are barred from obtaining a firearms ownership license.

Firearms carry permits (Waffenschein) entitle licensees to publicly carry legally owned weapons, loaded in a concealed or non-concealed manner. A mandatory legal and safety class and shooting proficiency tests are required to obtain such a permit. Carry permits are usually only issued to persons with a particular need for carrying a firearm. This includes licensed hunters, law-enforcement officers, security personnel and persons living under a raised threat-level like celebrities and politicians.
Assuming this information is valid, security personnel can be qualified and permitted for a Waffenschein, which enables them to carry concealed weapons. It seems that the people who may obtain and use guns in Germany really is not much different then the US. The big difference however is that all guns and users of guns must be permitted.
03-08-2010 , 11:54 AM
good guys dont have guns thats why they are good guys.
03-08-2010 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by poporella
good guys dont have guns thats why they are good guys.
So cops are bad guys. You are a ****** my friend.
03-08-2010 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
I'm guessing by this ******ed comment you are French sir? Sucks not being a relevant country anymore doesn't it?
[x] racist ban
03-08-2010 , 01:24 PM
difference is americans think it's tough to shoot someone, europeans think it's tough to fight toe-to-toe with someone.
03-08-2010 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I'm guessing by this ******ed comment you are French sir? Sucks not being a relevant country anymore doesn't it?
post one "positive reason" that makes the US a relevant country to other countries.

We got already a warning by mod when drifted away the first time from jsut reposting rando stuff about the robbery.

/last in before thread gets locked.
03-08-2010 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by discipline711
difference is americans think it's tough to shoot someone, europeans think it's tough to fight toe-to-toe with someone.
LOLOLOLOLOL is this a level? Euro's toe to toe???? hahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha

Other than UK please explain this because it is too much. The French are tough? hysterical sir.
03-08-2010 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
LOLOLOLOLOL is this a level? Euro's toe to toe???? hahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha

Other than UK please explain this because it is too much. The French are tough? hysterical sir.
Ummm you do realize that many US players were present in Berlin right?
Seeing from their blogs they acted like the biggest pussies there, rusians showing the most composure.
You watch too much fantasy movies I think.

The yanks are only best at one thing:
Talking smack.
03-08-2010 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Oh I don't know...more technical innovation than any other country in the world (see Apple, Microsoft, Intel, etc.), more charitable efforts than any country in the world (see Haiti), for some reason millions and millions of people attempt to emigrate here, we open our arms to more foreign graduate and professional students than any other country in the world, etc etc etc.

Look I enjoy traveling to Europe as much as anyone. But the incessant USA bashing is ******ed.
Well the help USA offers including the help from IWF and worldbank is just an attempt to get other countries into a debt trap and make them dependent...

People who believe the war in Iraq was necessary got trapped by your administration, the same people that propagate their 3rd world help would be a real so generous unselfish "help".

but anyway...i cant expect you to think outside the box you live in so i cant blame you..have a good day
03-08-2010 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Look I enjoy traveling to Europe as much as anyone. But the incessant USA bashing is ******ed.
i wouldn't mind normally but the whole "euros are pussys because they don't kill people"-argument is so ******ed, you have to say something.
03-08-2010 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by poporella
Well the help USA offers including the help from IWF and worldbank is just an attempt to get other countries into a debt trap and make them dependent...

People who believe the war in Iraq was necessary got trapped by your administration, the same people that propagate USA their 3rd world help would be a real so generous unselfish "help".

but anyway...i cant expect you to think outside the box you live in so i cant blame you..have a good day
Here is the funny thing and difference between US and many other countries. You equate governmental and large instituitions with offering help. I think of charitable giving by US individuals and entities.

Our government has issues. Name me a single country in the world whose gov't doesn't have issues.

And gtfo with equating US people with the policies of World Bank and IMF. Quite illogical. And yes the US population is plotting to figure out ways to get third world countries into a debt trap. Laughable.

Good luck to you sir!
03-08-2010 , 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bwslim69
Oh I don't know...more technical innovation than any other country in the world (see Apple, Microsoft, Intel, etc.), more charitable efforts than any country in the world (see Haiti), for some reason millions and millions of people attempt to emigrate here, we open our arms to more foreign graduate and professional students than any other country in the world, etc etc etc.

Look I enjoy traveling to Europe as much as anyone. But the incessant USA bashing is ******ed.
lol...
Apple and Microsoft export the vast majority of their production.
Intel have been based in Ireland for years, and recently moved to Poland.
Dell's major operation is european based.
Facebook, Google, etc are all based in Ireland.
America is open to foreign students?? Well done..?? I'm sure you'll find that the per capita rate of your statement is ridiculous. For example, I doubt holland can accomodate the volume of people going to america, this is an issue with scale. I really, REALLY, dont think the americans should pride themselves on their education system.

Next?

THAT SAID, i actually quite like america and have visited several times. but your argument is just so poor.

EDIT: Also, gotta love "Millions and millions of people attempt to emigrate here"... followed by ... "we open our arms"... have you ever looked at how difficult it is to legally migrate to the US? Compare that to 1) legal migration within the EU (which doesnt even require a form), and 2) legal migration all around the world.

Last edited by DIrTystack; 03-08-2010 at 03:09 PM.
03-08-2010 , 03:04 PM
You're brain moved to nonexistent.
03-08-2010 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by past_pluto
You're brain moved to nonexistent.
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