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1000 posts in and the decision is unanimous!

A BIG thumbs down to both Divita and the EPL...
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And this is relevant to a discussion of poker?

Many posts itt have discussed the morality of being a pedophile. How come you chose to single one out and not all the others?

Let me tell ya a small story about people being railroaded by prosecutors and what not. My ex-wifes Uncle was getting a divorce from his crazy drug addled nutjob of a wife when out of the blue one day hes at work and is arrest by the cops and accused of molesting his own 2 daughters.. He got bent over and basically raped by the judicial system because his wife had threatened the kids to lie about him and oh yeah the lovely honest hard working Dept of Social Service caseworker who helped the final blows. Doesnt matter about the multiple investigations against the mother for abuse and neglect while he was out on the road trying to earn a living. In the end he ended up taking a plea deal because they had stuff so trumped up he was facing 20 to life so he plead out on 2 counts of indecent liberties and ende dup labeled a sex offender. I can tell ya this with all my heart and know the guy was innocent from the begining but sadly people lie and despite what they claim when its she said vs he said.. the guy loses usually.Its a case of guilty unless proven innocent in many cases sadly.. So before you go judging people outright make sure you have all the facts Im just saying. Maybe Devita did what he was accused of but maybe not. Justice isnt as blind as we might think and prosectors arent as honest as officers of the court as youd like to think its all about winning. If it wasnt the case you wouldnt have rapists getting out of jail after 20+yrs being in fact totally innocent because they were railroaded.. The founders of this country claimed they would rather see 10 men guilty go free then 1 innocent man sent to jail and be convicted.. If they saw what goes on today they would be appalled. Its all about having the money for the best attorney Im afraid (Look at OJ Simpson ironic his temper got him sent to jail in Nevada I call it Karma trying to make things right) but it is true. The poor guy with the public defender has nowhere near the chance of getting a good defense compared to the guy who can afford his own lawyer and hires Johnny Cochrane reincarnated to defend him its the cold hard truth.. The guilty do get away with murder (cough cough Casey Anthony) and the Innocent do get a bum rap (too many to county at times).

If he had been charged on one occasion, then you might have a point. But he's been charged with a several sex crimes against minors over several years.

The odds of all of them being conspiracies is vanishingly small, imo.

am I gonna ask him to baby sit my kids, no.. other than that meh, I wouldn't really care.

The only similarity between this situation and the legitimate* poker sites is that if you disagree with the decision of the operator - whether it be EPL or PokerStars or PartyPoker or whoever - you have a right to complain to the regulator and ultimately an independent court system.

*obviously there are some illegitimate regulators such as KGC or Alderney as well, you just have to be careful of them


The above statement is not true.

Since when is getting "charged with a crime" the same thing as being "convicted of a crime"?

A charge is an "accusation" by police that a person has committed a criminal act. The person is still entitled to their day in court where they need to be "found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" in order for the "charge" to turn into a "conviction".

By your logic, all the police would have to do is to "charge" a person with offences over a period of years and he would be "guilty/convicted" from your perspective. What an interesting legal system we'd have if this was the norm.

There are many instances out there where the police have laid a charge against someone, and later on the person is either found "not guilty" or the charges are dropped because of police incompetence or abuse. In cases of 'public interest', especially sex crimes, the police are usually embarrassed greatly when they are unable to secure convictions. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that they are going to put a person under the microscope after and try to find any way possible to convict the person on "anything" later on.

But in any case..this is getting away from the topic this threat is supposed to be discussing, which is DeVita and the EPL. In my opinion he should have been awarded the amount the seat was worth and not just a refund for his satellite seat. The EPL is only doing what they did because they think he wouldn't want to raise a stink about it because of his prior legal troubles.

Odds are that you live within a few blocks of someone with a sex offence record.

Odds are that you've been to a shopping mall where someone with a sex offence record has held the door open for you.

Odds are that you've had a brief conversation with one in a checkout lineup. Just idle conversation where you were none the wiser.

It's easy to demonize people when you are a nameless/faceless entity on the internet.

P.S I would have no problem with him living on my block. I educate my kids the same way about 'strangers' regardless of whether they are someone on my street, a stranger offering them candy to get into a car, or a trusted family member. Statistically, they are more at risk of being sexually abused by a friend or family member then anyone else.

The guy was convicted once and charged 2-3 other times, he's obviously a scum bag. People just don't happen to get charged 3-4 times for sexual depravity just because they're unlucky.

Give him his money, close the thread and let's move on, this whole thing is really creepy.

^^ this

Actually it appears he was also convicted of two counts of sexual battery pre 1991.

Since when is the EPL's job to screen the backgrounds of the players in their events? Do you think all of the qualifying players for the EPL have never been arrested and charged with a crime?

I am in no way advocating the actions of this man, but he has every right to play in the event and should be awarded the money that the seat was worth if they will not allow him to play. This also becomes a very slippery slope, I was arrested for drug related offenses, does this mean that if I win a qualifying seat in a Pro/Am I will not be allowed to play in the event?

The nature of the crime should not be in question here, as it directly relates to the moral beliefs of the EPL's board of directors or whomever is making this executive decision. Mr. Devita was given the opportunity to play in the event, the EPL was happy to accept his $1,500 BI and now should react accordingly.

Since the beginning. It's part of their charter.

http://www.epicpoker.com/events/stan...d-conduct.aspx

Charging and being guilty are 2 different things. As far as we know legally he plead out on a crime 20yrs ago. As a result hes automatically goign to be assumed to be the perp when somethingelse goes down because sadly cops look for an easy score and its much easier to go after the guy who has a wrap sheet and "looks good for it". As far as I remember there is nothing abotu several arrests. There is the case back in 90-91 he plead out on and supposed allegations he was arrested for but nothign came of it. Hell I was arrested in 2004 on a bogus charge (nothing like this) that involve selling to a minor but it was dropped and cleared because of entrapment. Does that make me a criminal for life and mean Im guilty because I was technically arrested and had to go to court?? NO it doesnt.. It means I was fraudulently charged with a crime I didnt commit and my lawyer (who actually was a Public Defende) got it tossed out.

Im not defending the guys record he has one but there is a monumental differnce between being arrested for a crime and being convicted of it.

Agree. He was convicted once, and charge multiple times over the past 30 years. You do the math.

If anybody has the proof of the multiple charges they should post it on 2+2 because there is some disparity over how many times he's been accused/charged from 1 other time (2008) to some are saying multiple times.. if there are multiple charges its either severe incompetance or a bloody witchhunt by the Police if its true

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LOL @ Moki for writing "for your reading pleasure..." as if you would never or never have broken the law or sinned against anyone else. Pray one day you don't get a DUI or vehicular manslaughter while texting on your phone and people lable you as a murderer or drunk and post your crap all over the internet. Love the holier than thou attitudes of players.

I simply presented the publicly available information. Also, I do consider child molestation to be a bit more heinous than getting a DUI. Moral equivalency fail.

Condoning bad behavior by pointing out other bad behavior is weak sauce imo. As are the ad-hominem attacks.

Look at the information presented, and make your own informed opinion. That's why this information is available to the public, after all.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

so real its scary

You presented available information with a comment. The comment insinuating: "look what this guy did" as if you have never done anything bad in your life.

I already made clear my position he deserves the money NO MATTER WHAT CRIME HE COMMITTED! The thread is about the the lack of consistency and judgement by the EPL not a certain person's criminal background. Like I said I hope you never have your personal life exposed when you do something which hurts others because someone doesn't like you or what you did.

Let's get this thread back on track. Plus it needs a poll also.

to be honnest those files didnt make me much smarter about the actual case....its just some terms and laws but i cant plea him guilty or not on base of what you provided....maybe i missed something?


yes true lets not derail like i stated before its only normale he should get worth the buy in he won if they didnt want him to play the mainevent....whats alredy a sick thing BUT its in the EPL's rules,rules they use as they want many dictators did or do the same...use the laws the way it serve us best and dont affect us.

What about Mike Matasow? He has a felony record and is all chummy with the epl.